Boston Bruins 22-‘23 Bruins roster and trade proposals discussions. VII

[The don godfather]

There was a 1st in the offer

Yea I missed that still not good enough.

 

[neelynugs]

I was out with someone from the Hawks a couple of Friday's ago. I think you and I spoke about that. Anyway, Toews told them he would have his decision by the end of the all-star break. Well, that decision didn't come. I guess he and Kane want to make their decision simultaneously.

It's going to require a third team getting involved to retain this year, BUT, the Hawks need $23 million worth of cap hits between 8 players to get to the floor next season. So they would take on Reilly's deal but at what cost to the Bruins?

yes, seems like the goalposts are moving closer to deadline day.

wouldn't chicago taking smith be enough to not need a 3rd team? would be nice for them to take reilly, but the cost is obviously the
concern with the buyout being pretty minimal. i'd be more than ok with a backes-like deal where we overpay a little bit for toews,
but not sure that's gonna work out.

 

[ranold26]

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It's going to require a third team getting involved to retain this year, BUT, the Hawks need $23 million worth of cap hits between 8 players to get to the floor next season. So they would take on Reilly's deal but at what cost to the Bruins?

That to me is the big question.... Who's going to be the 3rd team in the cog....
Who in the east is willing to help the Bruins? Who's in the west willing to help the Hawks? etc..
Perhaps the Bruins-Hawks do a deal that eliminates the 3rd club, by doing a 50% retention AND taking Smith/Reilly with a 1st and Lauko/Mantykivi.

Bruins basically have two #1 defenseman

The fanbase: get us a third

 

[DominicT]

yes, seems like the goalposts are moving closer to deadline day.

wouldn't chicago taking smith be enough to not need a 3rd team? would be nice for them to take reilly, but the cost is obviously the
concern with the buyout being pretty minimal. i'd be more than ok with a backes-like deal where we overpay a little bit for toews,
but not sure that's gonna work out.

The injury to JDB screwed everything up because they weren't able to bank cap space. So they'd be short in including Smith in the deal.

I think if you want them to take Reilly, it's going to cost you Lauko. It will give them two players they can plug into the lineup right away. They are going to need skaters when they are done dealing everyone away.

 

[BlackFrancis]

It's going to require a third team getting involved to retain this year, BUT, the Hawks need $23 million worth of cap hits between 8 players to get to the floor next season. So they would take on Reilly's deal but at what cost to the Bruins?

That's such a weird one to me. I'm not sure how anyone outside can peg it.

He's worth around $800k in cash remaining this season come the deadline. With a buyout over the summer, he's due another $1.66m, bringing the total to ~$2.5m, or $4.8m without the buyout. That's a pretty big range, compensation-wise. A fourth? A second? A grab bag anywhere along that range? Are the Bruins the golden child ala the Hall trade, and not in a non-competitive bidding situation?

I have no idea how that would shake out.

 

[DominicT]

That to me is the big question.... Who's going to be the 3rd team in the cog....
Who in the east is willing to help the Bruins? Who's in the west willing to help the Hawks? etc..
Perhaps the Bruins-Hawks do a deal that eliminates the 3rd club, by doing a 50% retention AND taking Smith/Reilly with a 1st and Lauko/Mantykivi.

You beat me to it.

I'm guessing something around 2023 1st + Lauko + Reilly for Toews.

Chicago already has 2 firsts for 2023 and likely getting another for Kane so they might opt for the Bruins 2024 first which could be a better pick for them than 2023.

 

[DKH]

He does, Boston should waive him and he'll be claimed and come off the cap and free space up...lol.

they will have to carry an extra body so if not Zboril someone else getting paid

 

[rocketdan9]

Bruins basically have two #1 defenseman

The fanbase: get us a third

Hellz yeah!

 

[22Brad Park]

I see Brandon Cohen is pushing the idea of going after Boeser.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I see Brandon Cohen is pushing the idea of going after Boeser.

An underperforming winger making $6.65M for two more years after this? Yeah let’s get all over that. Im sure it will be a real bidding war.

 

[22Brad Park]

An underperforming winger making $6.65M for two more years after this? Yeah let’s get all over that. Im sure it will be a real bidding war.

Barbashev interests me

 

[Montecristo]

Yea I missed that still not good enough.

Yeah but maybe only a decent piece away right?

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Smith is a pending UFA who the Yotes would have to flip to another team this year. He'd have no future with the team and ARZ would just be paying his salary. He has no value to ARZ. Moore had multiple years left on his deal when dealt to ANH. Two different situations

Well yes, Moore's contract made him a bigger negative than Smith it. Right now Smith is someone Arizona is gonna have to pay 500K or so to ride out the rest of the season in the pressbox.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

I see Brandon Cohen is pushing the idea of going after Boeser.

Lmao

 

[ON3M4N]

Well yes, Moore's contract made him a bigger negative than Smith it. Right now Smith is someone Arizona is gonna have to pay 500K or so to ride out the rest of the season in the pressbox.

No reason for ARZ to take him unless Boston is paying them something to do so.

 

[DKH]

I see Brandon Cohen is pushing the idea of going after Boeser.

I only want Boeser if he takes the Marchand discount and says the culture in Boston is why

 

[ON3M4N]

An underperforming winger making $6.65M for two more years after this? Yeah let’s get all over that. Im sure it will be a real bidding war.

He's on pace for 53pts in 74gp. That's a fringe 60pt production for 82 games. For his career he's played at a 30G/64P pace. If we could make the cap work I'd take Boeser in this team and put him at 3RW with Hall & Coyle.

 

[Kegs]

Bruins basically have two #1 defenseman

The fanbase: get us a third

Guilty. But to be fair this team is stacked on all positions. Another good face off guy would be clutch tho. Toews makes a lot of actually sense. I’m just greedy.

Lmao

I only want Boeser if he takes the Marchand discount and says the culture in Boston is why

speaking of wanting players playing positions the bruins don’t need ! Sure why not. The whole team can be first line players on discounts. That’s what’s up

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

You beat me to it.

I'm guessing something around 2023 1st + Lauko + Reilly for Toews.

Chicago already has 2 firsts for 2023 and likely getting another for Kane so they might opt for the Bruins 2024 first which could be a better pick for them than 2023.

I am not sure Hawks would want Lauko it depends on what scouts think of him I guess but he doesn't seem to be that high of upside as a prospect and will soon be 23

With regard to picks I wouldn't be surprised to see our GM willing to take a 2025 1st in any deal at deadline

Hawks have been loading up on picks in top rounds for 2023 and 2024 drafts and may want to do same for 2025

2023
Hawks 1st
Lightning 1st (Hagel trade)
Hawks 2nd
Lightning 2nd (Johnson trade)
Hawks 3rd
Stars 3rd (Trade with Yotes at draft)

2024
Hawks 1st
Lightning 1st (Hagel trade)
Hawks 2nd
Canucks 2nd (Dickinson trade)
Hawks 3rd
Senators 3rd (Debrincat trade)

Hawks currently have no additional picks for 2025 draft

Davidson drafted 3 guys in 1st round last year as he made splash and made it clear Hawks were rebuilding under his plan and seems to be looking to restock cupboards thru draft by getting higher round picks

He has shown willingness to eat short term bad contracts for draft capital

At draft traded Hawks 2nd to jump into 1st round via Leafs 1st taking on tank commander Mrazek in process and then they got Nucks 2024 2nd round pick for taking on Dickinson contract who has actually been good for Hawks this year so big win for Hawks on that one getting 2nd and productive player in exchange for crappy defender

Hawks with the cap room they have should be more than willing to take on bad 1 yr deals for picks or to get greater returns in bigger trades

If Davidson plays cards right the Hawks could turn things around quickly. The final Bowman drafts (2020 and 2021) + Davidsons first draft look pretty promising for Hawks right now especially on D (Kochinski, Del Mastro and Allen were all on Canada's WJC blueline and Rinzel was on playing for USA at World Juniors A tourney) and with Reichel + Dach (Also on Canada's WJC) up front

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

B's looking at McCabe, Domi or Lafferty maybe?

Toews has missed last few games and was out again tonight

 

[Colt.45Orr]

I spent a year on here hearing how Pasta wants to play with Hertl. If that is the case and he's looking to break the bank then find a deal for him in San Jose for Timo Meier.

 

[CDJ]

0.0% chance Pasta is traded

 

[JoeIsAStud]

No reason for ARZ to take him unless Boston is paying them something to do so.

It is so insignificant that it is noise in the transaction. If the Bruins were to make the best offer, and I don't think they will. AND that best offer is so much that they Arizona decides to move a player they have under contract for the next few years at a below cost contract. Then the 500K for Smith is just a nothing burger.

If for example the Bruins offered #1, lysell, and Lohrei. AND Arizona decided that was the best deal they could get. I don't see them coming back and saying, oh but you have to include Harrison for us to take Smith off your hands.

 

[RatKing]

If the Bruins can somehow get Chychrun without giving up a key roster guy, I don’t see how they don’t do it, clear cap In another trade then add this kid. Any trade that gives the Bruins a better shot this year and doesn’t hinder our future is great. But what do we want to do in the future, win a cup. So why not do it now, might be there best chance, and he has term. I like Lysell and Lohrei as prospects but I want a cup lol

 

[ON3M4N]

It is so insignificant that it is noise in the transaction. If the Bruins were to make the best offer, and I don't think they will. AND that best offer is so much that they Arizona decides to move a player they have under contract for the next few years at a below cost contract. Then the 500K for Smith is just a nothing burger.

If for example the Bruins offered #1, lysell, and Lohrei. AND Arizona decided that was the best deal they could get. I don't see them coming back and saying, oh but you have to include Harrison for us to take Smith off your hands.

In your hypothetical, it wouldn't cost Harrison to move Smith. I could see ARZ coming back and asking for something extra to take Smith though. Bruins have to make the cap work, that's they're problem not Arizona's. ARZ is going to try and squeeze everything they can out if a deal.