21/22 Roster Speculation Thread Part VIII

[Bufbro]

This is false. They can most definitely get it this year.

That rule begins with this draft. So Sabres could win 2x in the next 5 years

 

[Fezzy126]

Sabres aren't eligible this year for #1 pick

They absolutely are, the new rules don't take effect until this coming draft:

NHL Draft Lottery changes announced for 2021

The 2021 NHL Draft Lottery will be reduced from three drawings to two as part of changes announced Tuesday.
The changes, approved by the NHL Board of Governors, will determine the order of the NHL Draft for the teams that do not qualify for the Stanley Cup Playoffs.
Two other changes will begin with the 2022 NHL Draft Lottery:
-- Teams will be restricted from moving up more than 10 spots if it wins one of the lottery draws.
-- Teams cannot win the lottery more than twice in a five-year period. Wins in the lottery prior to 2022 will not be counted toward this total.

 

[Joseph Nathan]

They absolutely are, the new rules don't take effect until this coming draft:

NHL Draft Lottery changes announced for 2021

I have to find it , but the NHL announced a while back their dating back to last draft effectively making it that Buffalo isn't eligible

 

[Chainshot]

Sabres aren't eligible this year for #1 pick

Feel free to try to find something that disproves the link provided. There has been no credible reporting of such.

 

[Jim Bob]

I have to find it , but the NHL announced a while back their dating back to last draft effectively making it that Buffalo isn't eligible

Even if last year counted, the rule is no MORE than twice in a five year period.

Also, this is only in the case of a "move up" via the draft lottery. The Sabres were dead last in the NHL last year (and in the Dahlin draft year), so those 1OV picks do not count as "lottery wins".

NHL Announces Changes to Draft Lottery Format

"Move-Up" Limitation Set

There will be a limit on the total number of selections - 10, a Club participating in the Draft Lottery can "move up" in the event it wins one of the Draft Lottery Draws. The result will be that the number of teams eligible to select First Overall in any given year will be reduced from 16 total teams to 11 total teams.

Limit on Teams Winning a Lottery Draw

No single team will be able to advance in the Draft order by reason of winning a Lottery Draw more than two (2) times in any five (5) year period. This limitation will not affect a Club's ability to retain its presumptive Draft position in any Draft Lottery, nor would it preclude the possibility of the Club moving down in Draft Order to the extent other Clubs advance by reason of winning the Lottery Draws. For purposes of clarity, the limitation would attach to the team, not the specific pick.

By way of example, if a Club were to win the first Lottery Draw as the 7th Worst-Finishing Club in Year 1 (thereby earning the First Overall Selection in the succeeding Draft), and the second Lottery Draw as the 13th Worst-Finishing Club in Year 3 (thereby earning the Third Overall Selection in the succeeding Draft), that Club would no longer be eligible to benefit by winning a Lottery Draw in either of Year 4 or Year 5, and would not be able to benefit again by winning the Draft Lottery (or either of the Draft Lottery Draws) until Year 6 at the earliest.
"Phase-In" Schedule

Given the unique characteristics of this season, including a shortened Regular Season schedule (56 games), as well as Club schedules that are comprised exclusively of intra-Division games, some of these changes will be "phased-in" (as opposed to an immediate implementation).
The reduction in the number of Draft Lottery Draws from three to two is being implemented for the 2021 Draft Lottery (and beyond).

The limitation on "move up" and the limitation on benefiting from Draft Lottery "wins" over a five-year period is being implemented for the 2022 Draft Lottery (and beyond). The limitation on benefiting from Draft Lottery "wins" will be forward-looking only and will not be retroactive. Therefore, no Club will be able to move-up in the Draft Order by reason of winning a Lottery Draw any more than two (2) times during the period of 2022 through 2026.

 

[Ehran]

What are our way-too-early expectations for next year?

I, for one, would be happy with "meaningful" games in March and April. Outside chances, or hell even realistic chances, at squeaking out a playoff berth would be what I'm hoping for. I don't expect them to make the playoffs but at least be somewhat in contention with a month to go would be nice.

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

Even if last year counted, the rule is no MORE than twice in a five year period.

Also, this is only in the case of a "move up" via the draft lottery. The Sabres were dead last in the NHL last year (and in the Dahlin draft year), so those 1OV picks do not count as "lottery wins".

NHL Announces Changes to Draft Lottery Format

If a team. (Let’s call them the Sabres). We’re to get the number one this year then they would not be eligible for 3 more years. What if they traded an unprotected first would that squiring team be eligible to get the former Sabres pick as a number one??

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

If a team. (Let’s call them the Sabres). We’re to get the number one this year then they would not be eligible for 3 more years. What if they traded an unprotected first would that squiring team be eligible to get the former Sabres pick as a number one??

 

[sabremike]

They absolutely are, the new rules don't take effect until this coming draft:

NHL Draft Lottery changes announced for 2021

The thing I love about the NHL is that they came up with the stupid lottery system and when the very predictable outcome of a team winning it multiple times happens they come up with a "fix" that will no doubt lead to even more ridiculous situations.

 

[Der Jaeger]

The thing I love about the NHL is that they came up with the stupid lottery system and when the very predictable outcome of a team winning it multiple times happens they come up with a "fix" that will no doubt lead to even more ridiculous situations.

I hate the lottery. Just let the teams pick how they finish.

Every lottery "solution" has holes which then call for another lottery "solution." Anything they propose will be incomplete, so just go with the simplest solution.

 

[Chainshot]

I hate the lottery. Just let the teams pick how they finish.

Every lottery "solution" has holes which then call for another lottery "solution." Anything they propose will be incomplete, so just go with the simplest solution.

Simple solutions are often the best.

 

[is the answer jesus]

We need good veteran leadership. What can Okposo teach the kids about winning at the NHL level?

You don't need to be a cup winner to be a good mentor and teacher. Okposo has been in the league a long time, he's overcome a serious injury that could have ended his career and he's rebounded from it. He also loves being a part of this team and community and wears a letter. At this point you aren't getting a much better Vet in this locker room.

 

[Djp]

I hate the lottery. Just let the teams pick how they finish.

Every lottery "solution" has holes which then call for another lottery "solution." Anything they propose will be incomplete, so just go with the simplest solution.

they want to prevent intentional tanking by teams.

the conspiracy stuff has to do with them being black box ish in the lottery.

they create a lottery using say 16 balls for worst team, 15 for 2nd…down to 1 for the 16 th place team for 16*17/2= 136 balls in a lottery style spinning bin.

 

[Chainshot]

they want to prevent intentional tanking by teams.

the conspiracy stuff has to do with them being black box ish in the lottery.

they create a lottery using say 16 balls for worst team, 15 for 2nd…down to 1 for the 16 th place team for 16*17/2= 136 balls in a lottery style spinning bin.

They didn't do anything when the Penguins toss Michel Dion in net to guarantee them Mario. They didn't do anything when Quebec mis-managed themselves to 3-straight 1OA's. They didn't do anything when the Pens stripped their team to the ground to set themselves up for drafting Crosby (which due to the initial lockout lottery worked out in their favor). BUT then they had to start f***ing meddling about and now it's just bullshittery in a league known for its backroom deals and rampant old boys club shenanigans. That people think it might be faked is because the league lends itself to that foolishness. And regardless of the transparency, just get rid of it.

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

Think Sabres should look at claiming Perlini from Edmonton and trade one or waive one

 

[Chainshot]

Think Sabres should look at claiming Perlini from Edmonton and trade one or waive one

Eh. Perlini's numbers have been worse than a guy like Caggiula over similar teams and similar times.

 

[Chainshot]

Someone they could look at is Hannes Björninen at eliteprospects.com who just left Jokerit and got a deal with Pelicans in the Liiga. He's a very good defensive center in his own right who had strong scoring totals two years ago with Pelicans before jumping to the KHL.

 

[Fjordsen]

Eh. Perlini's numbers have been worse than a guy like Caggiula over similar teams and similar times.

Is his numbers worse than that of Bjork?

 

[Chainshot]

Is his numbers worse than that of Bjork?

Over the last three seasons, yes.

 

[Fjordsen]

Over the last three seasons, yes.

I find it hard to believe that he will look worse than Bjork.

 

[Chainshot]

I find it hard to believe that he will look worse than Bjork.

I doubt a pile of runny dog shit would look much worse. But why take up one of their limited contract slots with someone who has no track record of anything positive? At least Bjork had positive impacts defensively while a Bruin.

 

[Fjordsen]

I doubt a pile of runny dog shit would look much worse. But why take up one of their limited contract slots with someone who has no track record of anything positive? At least Bjork had positive impacts defensively while a Bruin.

Idk, just to see if nothing good comes of it, you can simply not renew it in the summer. We will probably lose some hitters at TDL, Rochester will need our young players for the playoffs, not that we have a lot of choices. Just why not take a look if we have nothing to lose?

 

[Chainshot]

Idk, just to see if nothing good comes of it, you can simply not renew it in the summer. We will probably lose some hitters at TDL, Rochester will need our young players for the playoffs, not that we have a lot of choices. Just why not take a look if we have nothing to lose?

I'm usually all about that. But this is an odd year with three NCAA contracts to hand out in the next few weeks. That's more precious than any marginal improvement between someone like Bjork and someone like Perlini, if at all. Loss of flexibility is very much something to lose.

As for the Amerks, Rochester can and likely will have back most of their recalls for the playoffs. There is no reason not to send back their current foursome of Krebs, Quinn, Samuelsson and Fitzgerald to bolster that team.

 

[Matt Ress]

I'm usually all about that. But this is an odd year with three NCAA contracts to hand out in the next few weeks. That's more precious than any marginal improvement between someone like Bjork and someone like Perlini, if at all. Loss of flexibility is very much something to lose.

As for the Amerks, Rochester can and likely will have back most of their recalls for the playoffs. There is no reason not to send back their current foursome of Krebs, Quinn, Samuelsson and Fitzgerald to bolster that team.

Not that Perlini is it but they'd need a couple of warm bodies if they're able to move a few out and hope to get the kids some meaningful games.

 

[Fjordsen]

I'm usually all about that. But this is an odd year with three NCAA contracts to hand out in the next few weeks. That's more precious than any marginal improvement between someone like Bjork and someone like Perlini, if at all. Loss of flexibility is very much something to lose.

As for the Amerks, Rochester can and likely will have back most of their recalls for the playoffs. There is no reason not to send back their current foursome of Krebs, Quinn, Samuelsson and Fitzgerald to bolster that team.

Yes, but we are now 46 out of 50 contracts, at TDL we will probably trade 4-6 players, they will probably have the flexibility to sign three players from college and claim a guy like Perlini off the waver, although it does not have to be Perlini, but we also could have picked up Nedeljkovic at the right time.