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21/22 Roster Speculation Thread Part VIII
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ValJamesDuex
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Der Jaeger
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I'm not really sold on the "go get tougher" method of team building. I think Tampa Bay and now Detroit (read: Steve Yzerman) have a strong grasp on how to build a team. TB got their skill players first, and then build the toughness around them. It's a lot harder to build the core of Stamkos-Hedman-Kucherov-Point-Sergachev-Vasilevskiy than anything else. TB was able to add toughness to that lineup.
Adams should be doing the same thing. He's got a pretty impressive skill group now, and they are all relatively young. Add in the 2022 1sts, and when the team is ready to content, add in the acquisitions for toughness.
Adams should be doing the same thing. He's got a pretty impressive skill group now, and they are all relatively young. Add in the 2022 1sts, and when the team is ready to content, add in the acquisitions for toughness.
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For what he provides, Olofsson at a $3M cap hit is a f***ing steal. Shut the hell up, Harrington.
Jim Bob
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Der Jaeger
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Adams should take a longer term approach with the Sabres. No need to break course now..... we've seen where that leads. Develop the kids, take your top 10 selection, make your picks. That is the way.
Consider what he's got in house right now.
Defense: Two potential franchise defensemen in Dahlin and Power. A bunch of younger kids who can fill in around them in Jokiharju, Samuelsson, Bryson, Fitzgerald, Laaksonen, Johnson. This is the strength of the future roster.
Forwards: a group of big, skilled forwards in Tuch, Cozens, and Thompson. A lot of skill in Krebs, Quinn, Peterka, Olofsson, Skinner, and Mittelstadt. A group of forwards who can fill in around the group in Asplund, Murray, Biro, Ruotsalainen, and Weissbach, along with a good young group in the prospect pool in Rosen, Poltapov, Kisakov, and Bloom.
Goaltending: As bad as things seem, a prospect pool of UPL, Levi, and Portillo is pretty impressive.
Assets: Adams has Miller, Hagg, Eakin, and possibly Anderson to add draft or prospect assets. He's got almost $40M in cap room to weaponize. The Sabres will have 4 picks in the 1st 40 picks of the 2022 draft, with a top 10 pick, which could possibly be top 5. Adams has 4 picks in the top 62 in 2023.
The play should be to not listen to Rivet and Peters and go add a bunch of toughness. The right play is to let that group develop into a contender, and then when the team is ready, see where the team has additional assets and use them to make the right additions. Yzerman did that acquiring McDonough and Cernak when he was with the Lightning.
As hard as it seems, fans need to take a patience pill and let this play out.
Consider what he's got in house right now.
Defense: Two potential franchise defensemen in Dahlin and Power. A bunch of younger kids who can fill in around them in Jokiharju, Samuelsson, Bryson, Fitzgerald, Laaksonen, Johnson. This is the strength of the future roster.
Forwards: a group of big, skilled forwards in Tuch, Cozens, and Thompson. A lot of skill in Krebs, Quinn, Peterka, Olofsson, Skinner, and Mittelstadt. A group of forwards who can fill in around the group in Asplund, Murray, Biro, Ruotsalainen, and Weissbach, along with a good young group in the prospect pool in Rosen, Poltapov, Kisakov, and Bloom.
Goaltending: As bad as things seem, a prospect pool of UPL, Levi, and Portillo is pretty impressive.
Assets: Adams has Miller, Hagg, Eakin, and possibly Anderson to add draft or prospect assets. He's got almost $40M in cap room to weaponize. The Sabres will have 4 picks in the 1st 40 picks of the 2022 draft, with a top 10 pick, which could possibly be top 5. Adams has 4 picks in the top 62 in 2023.
The play should be to not listen to Rivet and Peters and go add a bunch of toughness. The right play is to let that group develop into a contender, and then when the team is ready, see where the team has additional assets and use them to make the right additions. Yzerman did that acquiring McDonough and Cernak when he was with the Lightning.
As hard as it seems, fans need to take a patience pill and let this play out.
HaNotsri
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It looks like Granato decided to base the lines on talent. Probably for the best.
BuffaloGooner
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Peters and Rivet seem to believe that the owners don’t want any toughness at all. I refuse to believe that. We’ve watched our stars get bitch slapped around the ice for 12 seasons now. I still remember the Bruins playoff series in 2010, a defenseman just cross checking the f*** out of the back of our players to no response.
Team toughness isn’t a type of player thing, it’s a team unity and bond thing. It’s a mentality. Hell, Reinhart fought the other night.
Team toughness isn’t a type of player thing, it’s a team unity and bond thing. It’s a mentality. Hell, Reinhart fought the other night.
Pegula was around to endorse the Regier moves to get Scott and Ott so I find it odd that they think this is something other than a bad GM's handiwork in how Botterill clearly didn't find grit anything but something to remove.
Jim Bob
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They will have to spend money to hit the cap floor next season.
I don't have an issue if Adams does decide to add some more toughness when replacing the outgoing UFAs.
They won't need to spend all that much. They're just a bit over $4M off with just bringing back their own players.
Der Jaeger
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Agree. I'm not a big fan of a prospect or young player retool for the sake of toughness. That time will come in the future.
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Agree with the general point but Cernak was acquired when the Lightning were sellers. I think they got him for Bishop. I don’t think a similar move would be bad. A good get would be Max Crozier from the lightning. He’s progressed a lot in 3 years at Providence. Very physical. Used to be too physical, but has learned to play smarter.
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Not sure about Gudbranson, maybe they could add a more interesting player. Kick tires on Murphy, re-sign Pysyk, maybe add a player like Nutivaara for depth.
Dahlin - Murphy
Power - Pysyk/Joki
Mule/Bryson/Nuti - Pysyk/Joki/Nuti/Fitz
I think Georgiev might be better than Korpisalo, but it's a risk to expect him to be the answer. Therefore, it makes sense to check this season by trading him from the Rangers if there is any deal between the teams. It should be a cheap addition to the deal.
Dahlin - Murphy
Power - Pysyk/Joki
Mule/Bryson/Nuti - Pysyk/Joki/Nuti/Fitz
I think Georgiev might be better than Korpisalo, but it's a risk to expect him to be the answer. Therefore, it makes sense to check this season by trading him from the Rangers if there is any deal between the teams. It should be a cheap addition to the deal.
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I agree, that's the type of toughness I want to see and what I think is a realistic goal.
Based on the times I listened to the instigators when it aired, I just personally find it hard to place a lot of stock in the credibility of their insights, particularly Rivet's. On a topic like a game day experience, that's a different matter. Maybe thing have changed and he's now exhibiting a lot of insightful analysis on the new podcast, but their isn't a lot in what they've shown in the past that makes me they're doing much beyond speculating.
We have definitely started to see them stick up for each other more readily than in the past, but they would clearly benefit from someone who plays with a bit of a physical edge.
Der Jaeger
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Tampa was much farther down the road than the Sabres are when they traded Bishop. The Lightning missed the playoffs that year by 1 point, so they weren't sellers as much as Vasilevskiy had played his way into the starter's role, and the Lightning needed to trade a goalie.
The Lightning were in the middle of transitioning from the 2015 Lightning to the team that wins Cups. Gourde and Point had not emerged yet as the players we now know, and the Lightning were in the middle of adding players like McDonaugh and Miller (2018 deadline), and Sergachev (2017 off-season).
Very, very different situations. Sabres are 3-4 years away from these types of trades.
Very good player for what this team lacks.
Similarly, Berard is the sort of high-energy guy who skates through a wall for his team, even if he's not the biggest. If the Rangers are sniffing around Sabre content, I'd hope Berard slips into the deal as the "extra".
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CaliSabresfan24
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Wouldn't say steal... If you look around the league with players in the 3-3.5 range he's around par on points and low on goals.
Idk about calling other teams but I don't see anything wrong on taking calls on him
ValJamesDuex
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But they been bounced around for a good part of it since and if anyone would know Peters/Rivet would.
KA comes back and gets Hayden.
I find Rivet and Peters as a source of information to be questionable.
Jim Bob
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And that was a part of the conversation.
My guess is that Peters and Rivet would be open to moving a guy like VO to get some grit and not guys like Krebs, Quinn, Peterka, etc.
Jim Bob
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They have around $23M in UFAs and have 13 players under contract for around $42M for next year.
If they are adding a lot of ELCs (Power, Peterka, etc.), they will have to add some salary somewhere.
And I don't think any of the RFAs are going to get sizable raises this summer.
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