Post-Game Talk: #21 - 11/19/18 | stars @ RANGERS | 7:00 - MSG

[True Blue]

Chytil is not ready! He needs time in the A!

Don't forget. Last night was another glaring example of how he has bee ruined.

 

[romba]

Yep I’m liking Strome. Pretty **** offensively but he makes a lot of subtle good plays

He was an inch away from a nice deflection goal from the low slot. Low shot he redirected upward and nicked off the goalies mask and wide. Saw more from him yesterday than Spooner all season prior.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Don't forget. Last night was another glaring example of how he has bee ruined.

The only explanation I have for when the same series of “arguments” happen for the next hot topic is the same people not only forget what they type, but also don’t remember the responses.

They just going with it.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Wonder if AV is watching...

He’s probably like “nice tanking dip shits...”

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Brooks reads these boards.

He’s looking for Brett or whatever his name is.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

This just in,

Radulov still a piece of ****

He’s the before pic on a plastic surgery commercial.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Chytil is not ready! He needs time in the A!

The only reason he needed to go to the A was to play 57 minutes a night before Quinn ruined him.

 

[kovazub94]

This feels so much like a Torts coached team in that Quinn is squeezing water from a rock with this unbelievable effort level. There will be no tank this year... Quinn is just too good. It was obvious earlier in the season even when we were losing. If a team is going to try this hard, they are going to be tough to beat.

Quinn seems to get players to play over their heads and get the most out of them for the most part. Keep getting him players that have ability because he's excellent at getting them to buy in.

This year’s Zibanejad and Hayes are not so much off of Stepan and Brassard. Kreider is playing as good or better than any of the Rangers best winger had done in years, Zuke has been producing at his normal pace, third line has been contributing well. The defense doesn’t have AHLer and the most important is that Lundqvist plays at his normal level and Quinn instilled effort and accountability.

I went on the limb this offseason saying that if not for the injuries Zibanejad, Kreider and Buch would’ve hhad 70-,60-,50- point seasons last season, respectively, and we should be expecting them to do it in 2018-2019. So far so good and my estimate of 7-12 finish still seem probable. Not better as we should expect that Hayes, Zuke etc will be moved, and not worse assuming no “epidemic” level injuries impacting the top liners or Lundqvist.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

He has been much, much better than Hunwick. Also possesses a physicality that Hunwick could only dream of.

Easy there, cowboy. Claesson has played all of 9 games. Hunwick played well for us for 55.

They were both scrap-heap 7D additions that surpassed expectations due to good skating and surprising awareness. My comparison was more a broad strokes one based on the role they seized on the team, versus expectations, rather than strictly a play style one.

But it's cool you're ready to anoint Claesson as the better player based on a 9-game sample size. I certainly hope he is, though. That would be awesome for us.

 

[Larrybiv]

I love this post. Lias would have made a terrific late first, early second round pick. Selecting him 7th overall when there is such obvious deficiencies in his skating( I’m not an NHL scout and I can tell his stride is poor and foot speed is horrendous) during a time and age where speed is central to any players ability to compete, is absolutely mind boggling.

7th overall pick should be for an impact player. Lias has all the makings of a bottom 6 winger or your generic 30-50 point per year guy. Not bad but just nothing even close to a difference maker.

In other words, more of the "same olé, same olé". Great guy to have on your team to "round out your team", kind of like a Jesper type, but NOTHING that you should be drafting at a #7.
Im no expert either, but yes speed is essential unless you have dynamic escapability and possess many other attributes. It wasnt a particularly strong draft class, but had to be a better option, but do understand strength at center was actually our "weak point" at the time. Apparently our scouting had him as plus in other areas. I just have to wonder where he would properly have been drafted and at what number.......and if Lias ever climbs up that latter and becomes a "Stepan" type player, I would be more than thrilled, because that would mean we have a "very deep" team.

 

[Larrybiv]

Chytil is so off-center in his NHL.com portrait

Details, details......could it be you are a little "off center" as well? I know, I am.....and that would be something I would normally take notice to. Takes one to know one. You my friend, are VERY detail oriented......ever think about serving our country? Military is very big on details.

 

[Machinehead]

Details, details......could it be you are a little "off center" as well? I know, I am.....and that would be something I would normally take notice to. Takes one to know one. You my friend, are VERY detail oriented......ever think about serving our country? Military is very big on details.

Details I can handle, but I wouldn't trust myself with grenades.

Besides, I serve HFNYR.

 

[Larrybiv]

You know the New York Post is not exactly the best evidence of whether a player had a good game or not.

It is possible for bad players to occasionally have good games.

Staal is a bad player and has been for years. I don't care if you watch with your eyes open. You look at basic stats, advanced stats, etc. By all accounts, he has not been good for years.

This is not something that is debatable and the absolute only reason he is a Ranger right now is because he is 100% unmovable.

Just because he is "unmovable" doesnt mean he "has to play". Maybe, just maybe he isnt as bad as we all think? Maybe our GM is hoping against hope that another team deems him "good enough" to acquire with retention?
Maybe just maybe with him playing it provides "stability" and leadership for the kids? Or, do we want Pionk and Tony D. (23), Skeji (24) and even Claesson is but 26, without the likes of Marc? Yeah, we can count on Smith being a defensive stalwart and Shatty has never been. Yes, that was sarcasm. Remember, this is a rebuild and even if Marc is as bad as it appears sometimes.....is that a "bad thing"?

 

[NYR713]

I have to admit, I like everything about McLeod last night. I thought that 4th line in general was serviceable. I don't dive too much into the advanced stats (usually let the guys who know more about it on the boards summarize for me haha) but all 3 of McL-Fogie-Chad seemed to be effective with fore-checking and keeping the puck to the outsides in the D zone. Fogie and Lias combined to be 5-1 on FO's, which is a stat I feel is always important with a 4th line.

I'd still like to see Lias moved into a more offensive role so he can get some ice time, but I also have no problem with the process of getting young guys getting their defensive game foundation stronger before getting off the leash a bit.

 

[will1066]

The only reason he needed to the A was to play 57 minutes a night before Quinn ruined him.

I believe that Quinn ruins him first, then he gets sent down for huge minutes as a career AHL elite star

 

[True Blue]

He’s looking for Brett or whatever his name is.

Am sure he lost ADA on the bench

 

[True Blue]

Easy there, cowboy. Claesson has played all of 9 games. Hunwick played well for us for 55.

Am very easy, Indian. So far, that is what I see.

They were both scrap-heap 7D additions that surpassed expectations due to good skating and surprising awareness. My comparison was more a broad strokes one based on the role they seized on the team, versus expectations, rather than strictly a play style one.

So was Stralman. Hunwick never looked like an NHL everyday defenseman. So far, Cleasson has looked the part. If his play drops, right back to the scrap heap he goes.

But it's cool you're ready to anoint Claesson as the better player based on a 9-game sample size. I certainly hope he is, though. That would be awesome for us.

His play in 9 games has been better than Hunwick's, IMO. That is all that I am declaring.

 

[True Blue]

I'd still like to see Lias moved into a more offensive role so he can get some ice time, but I also have no problem with the process of getting young guys getting their defensive game foundation stronger before getting off the leash a bit.

McLeod has been fine in his role. Visible in most games. His type of play makes the younger guys notice and play a bit bigger. Anderson may just be in a numbers game. You may well need to wait to see Hayes traded before Anderson gets a role besides on the 4th line. BUT, when there, it is still up to him to get noticed.

Just because he is "unmovable" doesnt mean he "has to play". Maybe, just maybe he isnt as bad as we all think? Maybe our GM is hoping against hope that another team deems him "good enough" to acquire with retention?
Maybe just maybe with him playing it provides "stability" and leadership for the kids? Or, do we want Pionk and Tony D. (23), Skeji (24) and even Claesson is but 26, without the likes of Marc? Yeah, we can count on Smith being a defensive stalwart and Shatty has never been. Yes, that was sarcasm. Remember, this is a rebuild and even if Marc is as bad as it appears sometimes.....is that a "bad thing"?

I believe two things. First it is a rookie coach and an elder statesman respect thing. And mentorship for the younger players.

 

[Larrybiv]

Lias should be sent back to the AHL. He had a fine game last night but the 7 mins ain't gonna cut it. Let Fogarty play 4C and call up someone else to play the 4th line wing

Bring him back with Hayes is gone.

No offense, but I kind of have a problem with this statement. It kind of implies that "let someone else get ruined" by playing on the 4th line. I mean.....

Lettieri was promising, started on 4th and now ruined, & sent down.
Andersson was hot in AHL, starting on 4th and verdict is out?
Fogarty on 4th as well.....earned a call up but .how long before he gets sent down?

Lettieri had more than a taste and it didnt translate.
Andersson had some last year and now some "minute" minutes.
Fogarty, played just 1 game last year.

Two ways to look at this......how many kids are we going to ruin by playing them with the likes of McLeod and eventually losing their confidence by not producing.
OR,
Pull up your shin straps and EARN your icetime, like Filip has done. Thing is seems like Chytil has the talent to produce all on his own......LA doesnt, and dont know much about Fogarty. Other than he played on Credence Clearwater Revival (CCR)

Best case scenario might be slotting LA up on wing (when he settles in a bit) and then Fogarty/Lias/Fast (where he is best and for stability)......they might be able to create or at worst be a decent "stabilizing" line. Agree with Lays on that line.

 

[romba]

Lmao, dude has one servicable game and you come crawling out from your bog to talk ****.

“Marc Staal do not deserve h8!!”

Okay.

Can you admit he’s been serviceable this year as a middle-bottom pair defender? Is it more than anyone of us could have hoped for? I get the bashing last year and prior since the injuries tore him apart.

The endless Staal bashing is insufferable this year. No need for the angry hate he gets.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I believe that Quinn ruins him first, then he gets sent down for huge minutes as a career AHL elite star

He then becomes the greatest AHLer of all time that generates so media attention after #RuinGate that the AHL surpasses the NHL in popularity, so the Hartford goes on to win the first nationaly televised Calder Cup, and it gets more views than the Stanley Cup ever did. AV is the coach too.

 

[romba]

Filip Chytil says hi!

While Chytil has looked great, he didn’t do it from the get go and I don’t see him really ‘dominating’ play as a teenager. I think he’ll have his ups and downs still, he’s a work in progress and I’m very excited to see how far he develops.

@Levitate was talking about the rare player who steps in at 18/19 and looks elite, flying at a ppg or near ppg pace from day 1. Generational or a notch below, like Kane, Crosby, Malkin, Peterson, Barzal, Matthews, Ovie, Laine, McJesus etc. We barely have vets who can do that lol

 

[Larrybiv]

McLeod has been fine in his role. Visible in most games. His type of play makes the younger guys notice and play a bit bigger. Anderson may just be in a numbers game. You may well need to wait to see Hayes traded before Anderson gets a role besides on the 4th line. BUT, when there, it is still up to him to get noticed.

I believe two things. First it is a rookie coach and an elder statesman respect thing. And mentorship for the younger players.

Yeah, Quinnie wouldnt want to piss off the couple of Staal supporters, now would he.
Mentor thing? Yes, absolutely.

My opinion though, ALL the great mentoring in the world, and
ALL the respect for a players contributions over the years as well, is NOT ENOUGH if the player absolutely sucks and is a severe detriment in the teams winning. Quinnie wants to win, right? Is it a case of Marc NOT being the worst dman at any given time, so sit someone else? Is his turn coming? He cant be that lucky and still be our worst dman, now could he? Yes, I am one of the few fans, and feel its NOT a bad thing for him to be playing. Take out Shatty for all I care.

 

[True Blue]

He then becomes the greatest AHLer of all time that generates so media attention after #RuinGate that the AHL surpasses the NHL in popularity, so the Hartford goes on to win the first nationaly televised Calder Cup, and it gets more views than the Stanley Cup ever did. AV is the coach too.

This would have been more believable if Trottier was the coach.

 

[True Blue]

Yeah, Quinnie wouldnt want to piss off the couple of Staal supporters, now would he.

I was not talking about a few supporters. I was talking about the locker room where he is a much respected elder statesman. With all that said, I think that there is something that Quinn is seeing on an everyday basis and if Stall was a continued anchor, he would sit in the not too distant a future.