2025 NHL Entry Draft

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Desnoyers 200 ft is already so good. He’s a sure fire centerman in the NHL, unlike Hage. And i think he has more jam to his game than Hage.

I really like Desnoyers.

The Q can be very misleading.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

A waak league but they win the Memorial Cup half of the time..

Crosby, Mackinnon, Letang etc played here.

WhL is not ehat it use to be..

That means nothing.

Look at the graduates of the last 10 years instead of naming players who were drafted over 10 to 20 years ago.

It's very slim pickings because it's a shit league.

 

[Vachon23]

A waak league but they win the Memorial Cup half of the time..

Crosby, Mackinnon, Letang etc played here.

WhL is not ehat it use to be..

Exactly…

The OHL is by far the best CHL league but the difference between the Q and the WHL is minimal

 

[crosbyshow]

That means nothing.

Look at the graduates of the last 10 years instead of naming players who were drafted over 10 to 20 years ago.

It's very slim pickings because it's a shit league.

A shit league........

Discusting comment....jeez.

Unbelievable

Btw..don't be surprise if Desnoyers has a better career than Martone for example

 

[Hannibal]

For me, i’ll let the season play out, but i’m would not be surprise to see Desnoyers in front of Misa on my list.

Desnoyers is gonna be what we dreamed Dach could have been.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

A shit league........

Discusting comment....jeez.

Unbelievable

Btw..don't be surprise if Desnoyers has a better career than Martone for example

No shit. That's not the point. My point was that a shit league can be misleading. It is a shit league. Take off the obvious fleur-de-lys glasses and put down the blue and white pompoms for a minute and look up its graduates of the last 10 years. Hockey Quebec as a whole is in a truly dark era and there seems to be no light at the end of the tunnel with how good the US program is becoming.

I wish it was better, but it's not. I'm far from the only one saying this. It's pretty much a concensus now, and people like you cheerleading it no matter what, doesn't help. If you can't be critical of the things you like, you end-up being simply a fanboy.

 

[HuGort]

A waak league but they win the Memorial Cup half of the time..

Crosby, Mackinnon, Letang etc played here.

WhL is not ehat it use to be..

That's been quite awhile ago Crosby and those guys. About 20 years I'd guess. Quebec hockey been spiralling down. Long time since first line forward from Quebec.

Pierre Luc Dubois last top 6 forward come out of Quebec. Then he's debatable. Mavrik Bourque might be mid liner. Memorial Cup usually bad judge of junior talent because stars are generally playing pro. Bedard and those guys.

 

[Hannibal]

That's been quite awhile ago Crosby and those guys. About 20 years I'd guess. Quebec hockey been spiralling down. Long time since first line forward from Quebec.

Pierre Luc Dubois last top 6 forward come out of Quebec. Then he's debatable. Mavrik Bourque might be mid liner. Memorial Cup usually bad judge of junior talent because stars are generally playing pro. Bedard and those guys.

Alexis Lafreniere.

Desnoyers is up there.

 

[HuGort]

Alexis Lafreniere.

Desnoyers is up there.

Forgot about him.

 

[crosbyshow]

No shit. That's not the point. My point was that a shit league can be misleading. It is a shit league. Take off the obvious fleur-de-lys glasses and put down the blue and white pompoms for a minute and look up its graduates of the last 10 years. Hockey Quebec as a whole is in a truly dark era and there seems to be no light at the end of the tunnel with how good the US program is becoming.

I wish it was better, but it's not. I'm far from the only one saying this. It's pretty much a concensus now, and people like you cheerleading it no matter what, doesn't help. If you can't be critical of the things you like, you end-up being simply a fanboy.

Lolll guys everywhere in the Roc said the same thing when Crosby was there and even when Lemieux was there in the 80s

Nothing ever changed about that btw.

 

[crosbyshow]

I remember so well when people were saying that Kirk Muller will be better than Mario Lemieux cause one played i the Ohl and the other in the Q.

...or even that Gilbert Brule would be better than Crosby....Whl vs Q.

Lolll

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Lolll guys everywhere in the Roc said the same thing when Crosby was there and even when Lemieux was there in the 80s

Nothing ever changed about that btw.

But I didn't say anything like that. I simply said that because it's a shit league, it can be misleading. You seem to have a hard time with reading comprehension.

You also twice ignored my request to spell out Q graduates from the last 10 years, proof of an extremely biased fanboy.

 

[crosbyshow]

But I didn't say anything like that. I simply said that because it's a shit league, it can be misleading. You seem to have a hard time with reading comprehension.

You also twice ignored my request to spell out Q graduates from the last 10 years, proof of an extremely biased fanboy.

You repeat the same shit as others when Crosby and even Lemieux were drafted....

I am old enough...nothing change...

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I remember so well when people were saying that Kirk Muller will be better than Mario Lemieux cause one llayed inthe Ohl and the other in the Q.

...or even that Gilbert Brule would be better tgan Crosby....Whl vs Q.

Lolll

I never said any of those things. You argue like a 5 year old with his fingers plugged in his ears.

 

[crosbyshow]

I never said any of those things. You argue like a 5 year old with his fingers plugged in his ears.

Yeah the question is Desnoyers and I am telling you that he could have a better career than Martone cause he plays a complete game.

The Q had nothing to do with it. He would be a complete player in the OHl either..

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

You repeat the same shit as others when Crosby and even Lemieux were drafted....

I am old enough...nothing change...

Stop using what others have said. Why don't you name the graduates of the last 10 years? Compare it to the previous 10 years, and so forth. It's not the same league it was in the 80's and 90's. It doesn't produce even close to what it used to.

I'm probably as old or older than you are. It makes for a bad argument. Notwithstanding your very immature way of debating ideas.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Yeah the question is Desnoyers and I am telling you that he could have a better career than Martone cause he plays a complete game.

The Q had nothing to do with it. He would be a complete player in the OHl either..

You don't know how he would look in the OHL because the overall compete is not the same. The Q can skew perception on players. Some make it out like Dobson, but others like Zadina is where you see the perception getting skewed.

 

[David Suzuki]

Stop using what others have said. Why don't you name the graduates of the last 10 years? Compare it to the previous 10 years, and so forth. It's not the same league it was in the 80's and 90's. It doesn't produce even close to what it used to.

I'm probably as old or older than you are. It makes for a bad argument. Notwithstanding your very immature way of debating ideas.

Not to be a Q defender, but your argument is pretty meaningless. The Q in 2024 is not the Q in 2023 or 2022 etc... you have to evaluate each year uniquely. The Q is really high end this year. And the fact that a guy like Desnoyers is pretty universally looked at as a top 15 (maybe even top 10) guy with a ton of room for growth is clearly indicative of that.

But to be clear, how much of Desnoyers have you watched?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Not to be a Q defender, but your argument is pretty meaningless. The Q in 2024 is not the Q in 2023 or 2022 etc... you have to evaluate each year uniquely. The Q is really high end this year. And the fact that a guy like Desnoyers is pretty universally looked at as a top 15 (maybe even top 10) guy with a ton of room for growth is clearly indicative of that.

But to be clear, how much of Desnoyers have you watched?

Enough to be relunctant to claim him as a top 5 pick and the player we should draft as some have in here.

I didn't say anything about Desnoyers per se, but just that the competition he faces can skew perception.

Looking at it from year to year is just as valid as long term. Long term can give you an idea of how a league trends. Dismissing it like you did spells bias. "Meaningless"... get real.

 

[David Suzuki]

Enough to be relunctant to claim him as a top 5 pick and the player we should draft as some have in here.

I didn't say anything about Desnoyers per se, but just that the competition he faces can skew perception.

Looking at it from year to year is just as valid as long term. Long term can give you an idea of how a league trends. Dismissing it like you did spells bias. "Meaningless"... get real.

So you're claiming the people who have watched him and think he has a solid profile as a prospect are biased, but the fella who seemingly has not watched him play but has an instant red flag against him because of the league he plays in is not biased? Just doesn't add up. Desnoyers could be a bad pick or a player that doesn't develop in the way people think he can, but dismissing him because of the league he plays in is just juvenile.

 

[FrankMTL]

I have a feeling the whole last page will be shifted to the Quebec Hockey Thread, but regardless i'm looking forward to hopefully picking somebody who can transform this team. As of right now, the only one that I see that can potentially do that is Matthew Schaefer. I think he will end up being the first overall pick. This kid is 10 days away from being a 2026 draft eligible player. He can be that number 1 defensemen that can play at both ends of the ice and log 25-30 minutes per game.

Obviously I love Martone, Misa and Hagens as well, but not sure they can transform the team the way that Schaefer could potentially.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

So you're claiming the people who have watched him and think he has a solid profile as a prospect are biased, but the fella who seemingly has not watched him play but has an instant red flag against him because of the league he plays in is not biased? Just doesn't add up. Desnoyers could be a bad pick or a player that doesn't develop in the way people think he can, but dismissing him because of the league he plays in is just juvenile.

1- i did watch him. Take time to read

2- i did not dismiss him

3- I simply said that the Q can be misleading. I'm speaking of my own experience of being high on Q players in the past who ended up duds.

Clearly, you didn't really read what I've said because you made two glaring spins that are not what I said. I won't be responding further because it's just a waste of time at this point. If you want to believe a lesser league doesn't skew perception, than all the power to you, but doesn't make you the judge of what is meaningless or not.

 

[crosbyshow]

1- i did watch him. Take time to read

2- i did not dismiss him

3- I simply said that the Q can be misleading. I'm speaking of my own experience of being high on Q players in the past who ended up duds.

Clearly, you didn't really read what I've said because you made two glaring spins that are not what I said. I won't be responding further because it's just a waste of time at this point. If you want to believe a lesser league doesn't skew perception, than all the power to you, but doesn't make you the judge of what is meaningless or not.

Same rhing could be said about Martone in that sens that he dominare because of his frame vs young dudes.

It could change vs big guys in the Nhl.

Except of Shaeffer I thing that Desnoyers is the one that has less the chances thst will not bust.

He has not the roof of Misa and Martone but he has the better floor

 

[NotProkofievian]

Yeah let's not draft a beast because he's a beast.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

As I said, I am usually very bullish on Q player, I never rate them because of the league but I feel Desnoyers is very different and he has it all and (what I like the most about him) it's that he still has a lot of potential growth to his game. I think he could become a similar player to Barkov or Bergeron. A guy that can become a rare dual threat and a key piece to build a contender.

I love how smart he is and mature in his game.