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So, I see were off to a launch of HMS Titanic type season.
Hagans Martone Shaefer
Hagans Martone Shaefer
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Add Schaefer, McQueen to that list. Hell I like Ryabkin and Frondell too.
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I've been all-in on Schaefer, assuming we didn't get #1, but Martone and Misa have both gone nuclear at 2ppg through 10, while he's been out with Mono.
Aside from Rossi, the only two OHL guys to do that in the past decade are McDavid and Marner. Even if they end up in the 1.75 range that adds Byfield, Tkachuk, DeBricat, Strome, and Perfetti.
Guys who have finished >1.65 in their draft year (if none, I added the leader):
OHL:
2024: Martone (2.22), Misa (2.1), Spence (1.22)
2023: Musty (1.47)
2022: Wright (1.49)
2021: N/A
2020: Rossi (2.14), Perfetti (1.82), Byfield (1.82)
2019: Kaliyev (1.52)
2018: Svechenko (1.64)
2017: Suzuki (1.48)
2016: M. Tkachuk (1.88), Debricat (1.68)
2015: McDavid (2.55), Marner (2.0), Strome (1.9)
2014: Bennett (1.6)
WHL: Showing north of 1.5 PPG (included Iginla, McQueen, Reschy Basha, Patrick, and Glass as point of interest)
2024: Schmidt (1.73), Bear (1.5), Reschy (1.44), McQueen (1.38)
2023: Catton (1.71), Parascak (1.54), Basha (1.44), Iginla (1.35)
2022: Bedard (2.51), Cristall (1.76), Benson (1.63)
2021: Savoie (1.38)
2020: Guenther (2.0- 12 games), Stankoven (1.67-10 games)
2019: Jarvis (1.69), Zary (1.51)
2018: Cozens (1.24)
2017: Fonstad (1.01)
2016: Yamamoto (1.52), Patrick (1.39), Glass (1.36)
2015: Phillips (1.06)
2014: Barzal (1.3)
Man, if Schmidt was 5'10 instead of 5'8 he might be a top 10 threat. As it is, I think he ends up late first or early second.
College: Included .75ppg and above- DY eligible guys are very rare.
2024: Hagens (1.33 in 4 games)
2023: Celebrini (1.68) (note: Smith, Leonard, Perrault were not DE)
2022: Fantilli (1.81)
2021: Kent Johnson (1.04)
2020:
2019:
2018: B. Tkachuk (.78)
2017:
2016: Kunin! (.94)
2015: Eichel (1.78)
2014:
McQueen 6'5, Martone 6'3, Schaefer 6'2, Misa 6'1, Hagens 5'11 (edited; thanks Leeroy!). Unless Hagens is the clear cut BPA, we should be adding some solid size with our next franchise pillar.
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Hagens listed at 5'10.5". I don't see how any team can justify taking that 1st overall over Martone, Misa or McQueen. It's not like Hagens is on a completely different level than them offensively.
The #1 spot is Hagens to lose but it's not as locked in as Celebrini and Bedard were. I think skill-wise, there are a lot more NHL translatable skills to Hagens' game than there is to anyone else in this draft. If we snagged him, it at least provides the team flexibility with him and Smith that one of them can be leaned on as a center and the other moved to wing to focus on offense.
I saw many commenting that Hagens started slowly. Taking a good look at his start, it's close to Macklin's in the first 3 games.
Celebrini 3+1, 12 kicks and 28/50 FO%
Hagens 1+4, 10 kicks and 21/35 FO%
Celebrini 3+1, 12 kicks and 28/50 FO%
Hagens 1+4, 10 kicks and 21/35 FO%
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Hagens is 7 months older than Macklin was and is playing with infinitely better linemates.
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FWIW, he's not playing with Leonard and Perreault regularly at 5v5. The exception was the end of the second game against MSU when they need a goal.
But more important than raw production is the tiny sample size.
Okay, he's half a year older, and I can agree that he plays for a better team, but saying that the start is bad is a fallacy.
On that I agree. The sample is tiny. But it's the only one we have at the moment and it's what Hagens is being "judged" for.
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It's not a bad start but it's not as impressive as Martone's or Misa's start either.
It's only three games compared to 9 or 11, yeah? Not much of a comparison.
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Schaefer's first game of the season and has a goal, was out due to mono
Let's say we win the first pick in 2025 again and Hagens is the clear cut consensus #1 pick, should we:
1. Just pick Hagens even though we are fairly set at Center
2. trade down to #2 (or #3 if it's not too risky) to pick Martone. If so what should be the realistic return?
3. Just pick Martone first overall
1. Just pick Hagens even though we are fairly set at Center
2. trade down to #2 (or #3 if it's not too risky) to pick Martone. If so what should be the realistic return?
3. Just pick Martone first overall
If he is the consensus #1 you either pick him or trade. I think the answer depends on Smith and Celebrini’s development. If they struggle pick the best player (Hagens). If they are developing into clear 1A/1B centers (ppg in the last half of the season) then you trade to some of the teams that have multiple firsts.
If you could get a top 5 and top 15 pick guaranteeing one of (Martone, Shaefer, McQueen, or Misa) and also pick up Hensler or a high upside RD then that would be more value than adding Hagens to Smith and Celebrini.
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Can't draft another smurf forward like Hagens when we already have Eklund, Celebrini and Smith. Just pick Martone 1st overall.
