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Red Sox/MLB 2025 Hot Stove - Mets land Juan Soto on 15-year, $765M deal

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FrankerC said:
Yep, it is so confusing that we keep seeing people say this. Dodgers went on an all time spending spree last year and walked away winners.
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The great myth perpetuated on here was that Andrew Friedman and the Dodgers are this homegrown factory of talent. Maybe they are good at player development but it's about spending money.
 
Mr Cartmenez said:
Aren't comparable? Value much higher?

Years remaining:
Cease: 2 seasons
Crochet: 2 seasons

Age when traded:
Cease: 28
Crochet: 25

fWAR / bWAR career:
Cease: 12.8 / 11.7
Crochet: 6.1 / 5.9

fWAR / bWAR past 3 years:
Cease: 12.5 / 11.8
Crochet: 6 / 5.6

fWAR / bWAR year prior to trade:
Cease: 3.6 / 2.4
Crochet: 4.7 / 4.1

fWAR / bWAR best season:
Cease: 4.5 / 6.4
Crochet: 4.7 / 4.1

162 game average:
Cease: 3.5 bWAR
Crochet: 3 bWAR

Cease' best season earned him a second place in CY voting. Crochet didn't even make the list.

While Cease had a down year before being traded, Crochet had a "down" second half in his 2024 campaign and is not yet known to be able to handle a full season. His 146 IP of last year is still way less than the previous years of Cease (165, 184, 177).
In what world do these stats make Crochets value "much higher"? That's laughable. Cease with his career stats blows him out of the water in anything but "What have you done for me lately". In a best case scenario, it may get closer due to the age difference. Depends on what teams value more. Cease' proven to be more durable and his best season beats Crochets in bWAR and is about the same in fWAR.

Who knows if someone panics and overpays for Crochet, but I just wanted to point out that they are pretty comparable with each guy having something you could value more or less.

So enjoy your apples and oranges.
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That's all well and good. You're numbers are accurate, and you can definitely argue that Cease is the better pitcher today. The problem here, is that it doesn't matter.

Bottom line is that you AREN'T GETTING Crochet for a comparable package that San Diego offered for Cease. If you don't want to offer more, and aren't interested in acquiring him. Fine by me.

You can take your chances in Free Agency then, and compete with other teams who have money to burn as well. I just don't wanna hear Sox fans crying about not having a top end starter if Burnes and Fried end up signing somewhere else. You think the Yankees aren't gonna be in on one of those 2 guys? LA? The Mets? Its gonna be Soto all over again.

End of the day, no matter who it is, you're gonna end up overpaying....
 
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As I said earlier in the thread: better chance I sign Soto to be my personal, unpaid assistant. FSG is a complete joke.
 
For all those bashing FSG, I'm not saying you have to give them credit or anything for trying, but there was no scenario where Cohen wasn't going to be the highest bidder and there was no scenario where Soto wasn't going to the highest bidder. They could have told Boras they'd match the Mets' offer and Cohen would have just increased it more.
 
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Smitty93 said:
For all those bashing FSG, I'm not saying you have to give them credit or anything for trying, but there was no scenario where Cohen wasn't going to be the highest bidder and there was no scenario where Soto wasn't going to the highest bidder. They could have told Boras they'd match the Mets' offer and Cohen would have just increased it more.
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This was the plan for two plus years. This was the guy he has wanted forever.
 
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Smitty93 said:
For all those bashing FSG, I'm not saying you have to give them credit or anything for trying, but there was no scenario where Cohen wasn't going to be the highest bidder and there was no scenario where Soto wasn't going to the highest bidder. They could have told Boras they'd match the Mets' offer and Cohen would have just increased it more.
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Cohen is also the only owner Soto could likely trust to pay him the exorbitant amount of money he received, and to still keep spending in order to improve the team both now and in the future. Every other team is more limited in that sense.
 
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KOZ37 said:
Cohen is also the only owner Soto could likely trust to pay him the exorbitant amount of money he received, and to still keep spending in order to improve the team both now and in the future. Every other team is more limited in that sense.
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League is a whole let less intereting when your team isn't the one setting the market. Time for a hard cap in baseball.
 
Midship said:
League is a whole let less intereting when your team isn't the one setting the market. Time for a hard cap in baseball.
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Yeah, we don't want free agents to cut into Henry's profit margin too much.

The guy has made money hand over fist with this team. There is no excuse for this team to not be one of the top 5 spending teams in baseball.

I kind of wish things were different, but hard to be a mega rich team and whine about needing a cap
 
Smitty93 said:
For all those bashing FSG, I'm not saying you have to give them credit or anything for trying, but there was no scenario where Cohen wasn't going to be the highest bidder and there was no scenario where Soto wasn't going to the highest bidder. They could have told Boras they'd match the Mets' offer and Cohen would have just increased it more.
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Just another episode of FSGs loser mentality
 
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Smitty93 said:
For all those bashing FSG, I'm not saying you have to give them credit or anything for trying, but there was no scenario where Cohen wasn't going to be the highest bidder and there was no scenario where Soto wasn't going to the highest bidder. They could have told Boras they'd match the Mets' offer and Cohen would have just increased it more.
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Or did ownership know they wouldn't win a bidding war and put on a dog and pony show to hopefully gain some good PR? They can now say "hey we were willing to spend $700 million and he chose to go somewhere else. The fans can't say we're not willing to spend"

If there was ever a meme to sum up this organization recently it's this.....

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Mick's Twitter timeline is pretty funny. He's taking the L well and reposting people calling him a fraud.

And now we'll never think about him again
 
Smitty93 said:
For all those bashing FSG, I'm not saying you have to give them credit or anything for trying, but there was no scenario where Cohen wasn't going to be the highest bidder and there was no scenario where Soto wasn't going to the highest bidder. They could have told Boras they'd match the Mets' offer and Cohen would have just increased it more.
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If you're entering the bidding for Juan Soto, especially when the Mets and Yankees are involved you should be willing to match the highest offer or just not bother. They were 8% off the biggest off the biggest contract in baseball history. They didn't even make themselves an option for Soto at the end.
 
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Cohen is just a multi-billionaire with endless funds who views the Mets as a toy and doesn't care if they lose money on big contracts. He wasn't going to get beat on this unfortunately. At least the Red Sox made an honest effort, which is better than the shit on a plate they served us the last couple off-seasons.

Get Bregman or Arenado, sign Fried, focus on the defense and pitching, and they'll be in the wild card hunt. It's just that they're missing the big piece that Soto could've been. But maybe Roman Anthony will be that guy in a few years.
 
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EverettMike said:
Who just won the World Series? Who did they beat?
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Yes they did. They didn’t get their value because he didn’t t pitch. They also have a power house. Sox don’t. Yet.not too many long contracts work out.
 
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