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Chara was literally a bust until later few years in Senators.
3rd round picks playing 22+ minutes a night from age 22 literally aren’t busts.
Chara was literally a bust until later few years in Senators.
It's not confusion, I can assure you...I'm legitimately surprised you're confused by this.
3rd round picks playing 22+ minutes a night from age 22 literally aren’t busts.
Do you really think Alfredsson being the face of a Canadian franchise(even if it's the smallest or 2nd smallest) didn't give him an advantage with getting into the HHOF so easily?
At his peak, I would also take Zetterberg over any of those players. Also a superior two-way player than those players.Zetterberg was better than Alfredsson, the Sedins and Sundin. In my opinion among Swedish forwards. Sadly for him he didn't play for a Canadian market. I'm not saying those 4 guys don't deserve to be in, but if they're in I don't see how Zetterberg can be left out.
This was the case for literally one season, 2003-04. Before that, he was being dragged around by Damphousse/Nolan/Friesen.Marleau on the pre Thornton Sharks is Shane Doan on the Yotes. A nice player who is just good enough to pull a mediocre roster to the playoffs but not someone who was ever playing at a HOF level. The more I think about it the more I'm liking Doan as a career comp for Marleau
He played more with Nolan & Vinny damphousse, who damphousse I honestly wouldn’t mind seeing inducted down the road. 1205 points that’s a great career.This was the case for literally one season, 2003-04. Before that, he was being dragged around by Damphousse/Nolan/Friesen.
I Have to agree to disagree price & Chara will make it just not this class Chara will go in the 2026 class cuz his buddy bergy will be going in first ballot, this next year I have Jumbo Joe, Duncan Keith, Patrick Marleau & either Keith Tkachuk or Rod brindamourThornton, Keith, Chara, Price. Pretty clear choice and the strongest first ballot eligibles in a long time.
Is that your wish or do you actually expect that to happen? Tkachuk and Brindamour have been waiting for many years, why would the commitee make a no-brainer like Chara wait a year to put one of them in? And Marleau is not even a HoF calibre player, his only real argument is the games played record, which Chara is a holder of for Dmen on top of a stellar career.I Have to agree to disagree price & Chara will make it just not this class Chara will go in the 2026 class cuz his buddy bergy will be going in first ballot, this next year I have Jumbo Joe, Duncan Keith, Patrick Marleau & either Keith Tkachuk or Rod brindamour
Marleau would be the worst player in a long time to get in.
I think Zetterbeg and Alfredsson are very close. They each had about the same number of elite / near-elite seasons. Both led the playoffs in scoring, both made teammates better. My take would probably be that Zetterberg, as his best, was slightly better than Alfredsson, but that Alfredsson carried a bit more weight, for longer, as the best guy on his team. I'd call it a tie.Zetterberg was better than Alfredsson, the Sedins and Sundin. In my opinion among Swedish forwards. Sadly for him he didn't play for a Canadian market. I'm not saying those 4 guys don't deserve to be in, but if they're in I don't see how Zetterberg can be left out.
No. If anything, his playing for Ottawa made it harder for him to get in than it should have. Alfredsson is viewed as an enemy by "Leafs' Nation".Do you really think Alfredsson being the face of a Canadian franchise(even if it's the smallest or 2nd smallest) didn't give him an advantage with getting into the HHOF so easily?
I think Getzlaf actually might have been better than Zetterberg, and his playoffs were excellent. If Zetterberg gets in, Getzlaff needs to get in, too. I'd be fine it both had to wait until 2026, if maybe that class is a little less competitive than this year's....I am just saying that sometimes great names get left off the first chance they get. Getzlaf as someone said is also eligible. Hard to say for sure that he should unseat any of them, but he definitely deserves to get in there. Getzlaf's regular seasons are okay, as are his career numbers, but they aren't the bread and butter that will get him in. It will be his playoff resume and Team Canada accomplishments.
I think Getzlaf actually might have been better than Zetterberg, and his playoffs were excellent. If Zetterberg gets in, Getzlaff needs to get in, too. I'd be fine it both had to wait until 2026, if maybe that class is a little less competitive than this year's.
There is not a single scenario that I can think of where Marleau should get in.I'm tired to explain it. Because I have a big arguement back then. Marleau was big in international tournament and all you guys said are "Canada are stacked" bs and thinks Sharks only compete when Thornton came (when you guys forgot that they were in WCF in 02 and 04 where Marleau is apart of core guys).
Whilst Chara was literally a bust until later few years in Senators. He is HOF but waiting one year is no biggie for him (same as Marleau).
Maybe this but my first thought was that one thing here isn't like the others.Zetterberg is a tough one going by the bullet points. On the face he's a 2 way Smythe winner who had less than 400 goals and 1000 points.
He's going to struggle with the committee because I'm guessing they view him as very good all around but never great or among the best at anything.
True enough but the same thing kind of applies to Scott Niedermeyer in a slightly different way and the consensus around here is vastly different with scott.Beyond the generally unfortunate media...the players, management, scouts, goalie coaches throughout the league past and present, etc. all think he's one of the best.
At what point do folks that don't know goaltending trade in "hype" and other guesswork for...anything else...?
Getzlaf didn’t have Zetterberg’s defensive game. Not saying he was bad defensively (he was good actually) but not on the same level. He was a better playmaker and a more physical presence though. Zetterberg was a better goal scorer and two-way player.Zetterberg does have those postseason runs that Datsyuk doesn't quite have. But I think it is easy to see that the better player overall and better career went to Datsyuk. I see that on these boards and I think the HHOF committee will rightly see that. Is Zetterberg good enough - in their eyes - to get in? I think he is a guy that might get lost in the shuffle if he doesn't get inducted soon. He might get Rick Middletoned. He will be a lower case HHOFer, right near the bottom, but I'm okay with him in there. Outplayed Crosby in the 2008 finals and still did well in the 2009 finals. Two excellent back to back runs. Deserving of the Smythe in 2008 and it is a severely underrated playoff run in my opinion. Just textbook hockey. Heck, he even had a fight in 2009 vs. Malkin. With all that being said, he is a guy where those back to back playoff runs are the thing that propels him in there I think. He really relies on those a lot.
Getzlaf that isn't the case. Getzlaf was consistently an elite player for longer. Doesn't have Zetterberg's 2008 or 2009 playoff runs, but he has a better body of work in the playoffs overall. Getzlaf is a guy like Zetterberg where you can say ho-hum about his regular seasons but his bread and butter is the postseason. He'll wait after 2025 I think. I honestly can't see him overtaking any of those guys who are eligible in 2025.
Zetterberg was a better player than either Sedin. They had some regular season hardware but disappointed in the playoffs when counted on. Also, is their career PPG that great if you’re putting them ahead of Zetterberg based on regular season?![]()
I think Zetterbeg and Alfredsson are very close. They each had about the same number of elite / near-elite seasons. Both led the playoffs in scoring, both made teammates better. My take would probably be that Zetterberg, as his best, was slightly better than Alfredsson, but that Alfredsson carried a bit more weight, for longer, as the best guy on his team. I'd call it a tie.
Hm, the Sedins. I mean, I don't really like the Sedins, but each of them won either the Hart trophy or the Pearson, something Zetterberg never came remotely close to doing. It's a bit like another thread where someone was arguing for Dave Taylor over Markus Naslund, with my point being that Naslund was considered the best player in the NHL by his peers one season, while Taylor was never top 10. Zetterberg's advantage over each Sedin is in the playoffs, but does that overcome a Hart and a Pearson? Anyway, again I'd probably call this one about even, but I have a feeling I'm flattering Zetterberg a bit.
As to Sundin, I'd take him over Zetterberg. You're getting way more near-elite and consistent seasons from Sundin, and being the top-dog for Toronto for that long is incredibly hard. Sundin had literally twice as many point-per-game-ish seasons in the NHL than Zetterberg, and his international hockey resume is superb.
Your "sadly he didn't play for a Canadian market" comment is pretty silly. In hockey terms, Detroit basically is Canada. Half the fans are Canadians, the city is on the Canadian border, and the franchise has a long history of Canadian players going back 100 years. The power-strucutre of Canadian hockey -- i.e., SW-Ontario -- has far more exposure to the Red Wings than it does to Winnipeg, Calgary, Edmonton, or Vancouver.
No. If anything, his playing for Ottawa made it harder for him to get in than it should have. Alfredsson is viewed as an enemy by "Leafs' Nation".
I think Getzlaf actually might have been better than Zetterberg, and his playoffs were excellent. If Zetterberg gets in, Getzlaff needs to get in, too. I'd be fine it both had to wait until 2026, if maybe that class is a little less competitive than this year's.