GDT: 2025 HFSJ trade deadline GDT: Do we even have anything left to trade?

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I know you're joking but literally just move Zetterlund to the third line, where he belongs. Easy.


I hate you.
Yeah, that does seem like a logical path for Zetterlund. I don't know, I suppose if that's where Grier sees Zetterlund long-term, but Zetterlund wants a contract for several years paying him at second line rates...

I'm trying, lol. That's the best I can come up with. And I really hope that some of these acquired picks are turned around this summer for young NHL talent that can actually stay in place as part of the future.
 
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The purpose of this deal is, once again, to get bigger. The prospect they got is a 6'4 212 lb 21 year old. However, zetterlund was a tank and very physical, so I dont see this as really getting bigger.

I am perplexed at the plan grier has. Zetterlund is 25. If they want to compete in 3 years, its the perfect time for him.

For the life of me, I am trying to find a way to spin this deal into even a reasonable one, but I just cant figure it. the only thing I can think of is that Zetts wouldnt sign (as mentioned before), but I find that hard to believe. The only other reason would be that he is too old??? at 25? or that he is commanding a ridiculous salary like 7x10m per.

none of that makes any semblance of sense though. I am just simply dumbfounded. I am also having a hard time being a sharks fan at this moment. They traded a 25 year old, clear top 6F and #3 leading goal scorer for a seemingly mediocre prospect and moving up from the 4th to 2nd round. They traded their clear #1 Blueliner for a late 1st and a half from now.

Who is left on the team for the long term. Smith, Celebrini, and Eklund, and that's it? Thompson, mukh, askarov, graf? I dunno.... The sharks no longer have a team. I dont think this summer matters anymore. Grier would have to add so much talent that its practically impossible. the sharks have so little talent left on the roster that I just dont see any reason to be much of a fan for a long long time.

Why not trade Eklund for a 4th line AHL prospect and a 2028 1st? He's a little old now too if you are building around smith and celebrini, and of course hes too small as well.
 
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I don’t know why anyone is surprised at this. Just like his brother with the Dolphins, Mike has no idea how to actually build a good team. Bro is gonna keep trading for the future which will never get here. Look forward to seeing Celebrini on the Canucks, Smith on the Bruins and Eklund in Vegas competing in the playoffs while the Sharks are still selling to rebuild in the 2030s.
 
4 out of the 7 rappers from the Holiday Inflatables vid have already been traded, will be 5 after Ferraro gets moved next year.
 
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Everyone goes from praising Grier for getting a first out of Walman to hating him overnight cause of this Zetterlund deal. Insane. Don’t get me wrong this Zetterlund deal isn’t great value but who knows what his contract demands were or if he was even willing to sign
Just once I want to see Grier stake his reputation on a player he brought in and not someone he lucked into.
 
I’d say Askarov was a deal he pursued and got. One of his best trades, easily.
That was the only one I thought of. Fair, however it was also predicated upon a very ugly, public breakup where the price was probably lower than it should have been due to that drama.
 
That was the only one I thought of. Fair, however it was also predicated upon a very ugly, public breakup where the price was probably lower than it should have been due to that drama.

Yeah, that doesn’t matter though. He risked his reputation to trade Hertl and then got Asky with the return. It was shrewd and a really smart trade.

I’d say his Karlsson and Meier trades were great too but those were more for futures, so, I hear what you’re saying.

I do need to start seeing him start actually building this team up soon because it’s starting to feel a little ridiculous. This summer better be huge.
 
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And so what qualifies as a player he brought in? Does Granlund? What about Smith? Askarov? Walman?
Granlund was part of the Karlsson dump, he backed into Smith, Walman was basically given to him because of the 2nd. Askarov is the only one that fits the bill, although it was more he took advantage of a very public break-up and getting a solid price rather than him taking the initiative in targeting a player and willing to take a risk. It was still a phenomenal move on his part.

Again, Grier has done a great job in maximizing value from bargain hunting, but that's a lot easier to do when you're a last place team with no aspirations for the next few years. If bad moves don't work out when you suck, well it can't make you suck even more, can it? I'm genuinely curious what kind of a GM he is when it's time to take the team out of the basement and what chances he's willing to take.
 
Yeah, that doesn’t matter though. He risked his reputation to trade Hertl and then got Asky with the return. It was shrewd and a really smart trade.
I think he had more leeway with the fans in regards to Hertl because it was still basically the first year of the rebuild and the fans knew his sole intention was to maximize the team's chances at Celebrini. It worked. We got our future franchise guy.

But he's continually going back to that well assuming the already depleted fanbase will continue to be patient.
 
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Granlund was part of the Karlsson dump, he backed into Smith, Walman was basically given to him because of the 2nd. Askarov is the only one that fits the bill, although it was more he took advantage of a very public break-up and getting a solid price rather than him taking the initiative in targeting a player and willing to take a risk. It was still a phenomenal move on his part.

Again, Grier has done a great job in maximizing value from bargain hunting, but that's a lot easier to do when you're a last place team with no aspirations for the next few years. If bad moves don't work out when you suck, well it can't make you suck even more, can it? I'm genuinely curious what kind of a GM he is when it's time to take the team out of the basement and what chances he's willing to take.
How did he back into Walman? Smith sure whatever. Don’t agree but fine. Granlund he also specifically chose as a cap dump. We can also talk about Toffoli, Wennberg, Dickinson, Blackwood, Mukhammadullin.
 
I think he had more leeway with the fans in regards to Hertl because it was still basically the first year of the rebuild and the fans knew his sole intention was to maximize the team's chances at Celebrini. It worked. We got our future franchise guy.

But he's continually going back to that well assuming the already depleted fanbase will continue to be patient.

Right, I think he seriously needs to make some moves this summer. I’m not saying make us a playoff team but… we shouldn’t be the worse team in the league 3 years in a row.
 
How did he back into Walman? Smith sure whatever. Don’t agree but fine. Granlund he also specifically chose as a cap dump. We can also talk about Toffoli, Wennberg, Dickinson, Blackwood, Mukhammadullin.
Yzerman basically approached him and dangled a 2nd to take him. I don't think Grier had to do anything but pick up the phone and say yes. Smith, not sure how you can disagree. We were a bottom 4 team, finished 4th worst and got the 4th pick in the lotto. He was the obvious choice. Granlund was obviously going back in the EK trade since Petry had SJ on his no-trade list.
 
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Yzerman basically approached him and dangled a 2nd to take him. I don't think Grier had to do anything but pick up the phone and say yes. Smith, not sure how you can disagree. We were a bottom 4 team, finished 4th worst and got the 4th pick in the lotto. He was the obvious choice. Granlund was obviously going back in the EK trade since Petry had SJ on his no-trade list.
I doubt Walman was just a pick up the phone and say yes. Why did no other team do that then?

Smith was not the obvious choice. Michkov was. Reinbacher was right there too.

Granlund was not obvious either. Especially since there were other teams interested. Grier valued him and the first that turned into Dickinson more than what other teams had to offer
 
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Yeah, that doesn’t matter though. He risked his reputation to trade Hertl and then got Asky with the return. It was shrewd and a really smart trade.

I’d say his Karlsson and Meier trades were great too but those were more for futures, so, I hear what you’re saying.

I do need to start seeing him start actually building this team up soon because it’s starting to feel a little ridiculous. This summer better be huge.
Except if Musty busts, then we basically traded Meier for Mukhamadullin straight up, which makes the trade decidedly not "good".
 
I'm gonna log off and cool down before I post something I regret. But looks like, I may be starting tanking threads for 2026 and 2027 (assuming Sharks win 1st or 2nd pick this year)
 
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My interpretation is:

Grier sees the core players (Celebrini and Smith, maybe Eklund and Askarov, and perhaps future prospects like Dickinson) as the only players who matter to the future contending Sharks team; everyone else is ultimately expendable and replaceable.

Consequently, Grier has placed a value on every expendable player and does not intend to deviate from that value. If Zetterlund wants too much money, Grier is going to trade him rather than be locked into an above-market deal. This doesn't apply as much to UFAs, but no UFA he has brought in is a core player.

In trading away players, Grier values ammunition, rather than a player. Draft picks are fungible and will appeal to almost anyone. Prospects are almost as good, but their value is less fungible, as teams are going to have opinions about the quality of specific prospects.

Finally, Grier is very confident in his ability to go expend that ammunition to bring in new, replaceable players. Zetterlund wants too much money? We'll go without him for fewer than 20 games and then bring in a new Zetterlund during the offseason.

I do not believe Grier places much stock into the "team chemistry" idea I see brought up a lot here, and in general I agree. Prospects like Celebrini and Smith and Eklund are not going to be ruined because the Sharks are bad, or because they lost a specific teammate for six weeks. Teams like Buffalo don't fail to compete because of "team culture," they fail to compete because they thought players like Thompson, Cozens, and Quinn were future superstars, and dumped Eichel for Tuch and assorted garbage (Krebs, Greenway, Ostlund). I think Grier knows that Celebrini and Smith and Eklund are going to be just fine when he puts $64 million in front of them, and knows they're going to be just fine when they're passing to someone Grier trades that 2nd to in June.

I do think Grier did not get full value for Zetterlund. I also think he knows that, and I don't think he cares. He's going to replace Zetterlund.
 
I doubt Walman was just a pick up the phone and say yes. Why did no other team do that then?

Smith was not the obvious choice. Michkov was. Reinbacher was right there too.

Granlund was not obvious either. Especially since there were other teams interested. Grier valued him and the first that turned into Dickinson more than what other teams had to offer
Grier obviously got a vibe from Michkov he was gonna stay in the KHL and Grier didn't have the leverage to risk not having your only prospect not come over for half a decade.

Other GMs literally said they had no idea Walman was available. Stevie called the worst team in the league and said he needed to move money.

Granlund had to be moved as part of the deal. Same with Ruuta. His inclusion was literally the reason we were able to get a first.
 
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How did he back into Walman? Smith sure whatever. Don’t agree but fine. Granlund he also specifically chose as a cap dump. We can also talk about Toffoli, Wennberg, Dickinson, Blackwood, Mukhammadullin.
Grier didn't chose Granlund as a cap dump, as I recall the Penguins basically had to dump Granlund specifically onto us to make the cap exchange work.
 
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Grier didn't chose Granlund as a cap dump, as I recall the Penguins basically had to dump Granlund specifically onto us to make the cap exchange work.
I mean there was also 4 teams involved at the end if I remember right. It wasn’t Pittsburgh or bust
 

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