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2025 26 Roster…too Soon

Toews2Bickell said:
go young next year and let the kids build the culture, the vets they've brought in have been a disaster, they can say all the right things but they're also being paid to do that
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And if you must overpay someone to hit the cap floor find a younger guy who didn’t get the long term deal he wanted and overpay them on a 1 or 2 year deal.

38 year old Marchand or a 35 year old John Taveras on these proposed 3 year deals I see here should not be the answer.
 
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Deputy McRizzy said:
And if you must overpay someone to hit the cap floor find a younger guy who didn’t get the long term deal he wanted and overpay them on a 1 or 2 year deal.

38 year old Marchand or a 35 year old John Taveras on these proposed 3 year deals I see here should not be the answer.
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maybe shop for more cap dump type deals too, the Mikheyev/Dickinson types where there are assets attached and either you bury the player in Rockford if they suck or maybe you luck into a Mikheyev where you restore their value
 
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Northernhawk said:
Are you including Teravainen, Bertuzzi, Foligno, Maroon and Mikheyev in that disaster group?
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I'm including Perry, Foglino, Hall, Brodie, Martinez, Seth Jones etc...none of these vets have done or did jack shit f*** all nothing to restore a good team game, it wasn't until all the kids were inserted into the lineup that their team game turned the corner, you pay a vet multiples their market value to keep them around the league they're going to say all the right things but it doesn't mean anything, Teravainen, Mikheyev and Bertuzzi are still productive players, Foglino shouldn't even be wearing the C
 
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Toews2Bickell said:
I'm including Perry, Foglino, Hall, Brodie, Martinez etc...none of these vets have done jack shit f*** all nothing to restore a good team game, it wasn't until all the kids were inserted into the lineup that their team game turned the corner, you pay a vet multiples their market value to keep them around the league they're going to say all the right things but it doesn't mean anything, Teravainen, Mikheyev and Bertuzzi are still productive players, Foglino shouldn't even be wearing the C
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Foligno has been fine. Far from a disaster.
 
Hawkaholic said:
Foligno has been fine. Far from a disaster.
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the team has been mostly dysfunctional under his tenure as captain, guy is being paid 4.5m when he's a 2m player, of course he is going to say the right things, why does he deserve to be captain...the kids showed up and the team game took a massive turn, before that point they were a trainwreck with all the vets
 
When it comes to the draft and building a team, you kinda get who you can get. That's not to say you ignore need completely and things like positional scarcity, but talent wins out. You can shop around player archetypes in the lower spots, but if Schaefer is seen as better by the scouts, you don't just not take him because you have Korchinski and Wyatt Kaiser.

Malkin/Crosby isn't so much a model as a fortuitous circumstance.
 
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Toews2Bickell said:
the team has been mostly dysfunctional under his tenure as captain, guy is being paid 4.5m when he's a 2m player, of course he is going to say the right things, why does he deserve to be captain...the kids showed up and the team game took a massive turn, before that point they were a trainwreck with all the vets
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Thats not his fault, and regardess of what you have said, it doesn't make his signing a disaster. I bet the young kids love having him around.
 
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Deputy McRizzy said:
Foligno fell off a cliff in the second half. He’s just too old and is going to be even worse next year.
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While true, he was still good last year, and has performed half decently this year. Again, not a disaster in any sense of the word. He doesn't actively hurt you when he is on the ice, even though he is playing in a role bigger than he should be.
 
Hawkaholic said:
While true, he was still good last year, and has performed half decently this year. Again, not a disaster in any sense of the word. He doesn't actively hurt you when he is on the ice, even though he is playing in a role bigger than he should be.
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I think for a lot of the second half of this season he’s has been actively hurting the teams and his linemates either his on ice performance.

But as I’ve said elsewhere he’s due enough cash next year we are just stuck with him. Hopefully they can reduce his minutes enough to where he’s not sabotaging younger guys trying to make a name for themselves.

Really not looking forward to a 38 year old Foligno on this roster with a bunch of speedy young guys next year.
 
Deputy McRizzy said:
Maybe it’s my bias but I think our top 4 has a much higher ceiling than Nashville’s did. What year is it would most say the Nashville defense peaked?


Their Cup year Ekholm was really only a defensive guy and Josi wasn’t elite offensively yet. Then you had Subban and Ellis who were very good, but not elite either.
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I hate the Preds as much as anyone but that team had 3 number one D man in 2017, and Ekholm was a number 3 caliber
 
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Deputy McRizzy said:
I think for a lot of the second half of this season he’s has been actively hurting the teams and his linemates either his on ice performance.

But as I’ve said elsewhere he’s due enough cash next year we are just stuck with him. Hopefully they can reduce his minutes enough to where he’s not sabotaging younger guys trying to make a name for themselves.

Really not looking forward to a 38 year old Foligno on this roster with a bunch of speedy young guys next year.
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He's playing too much. He should be down around 12mins/gp, not the 16 he's getting. I'll have zero worry about him if he's in a 4th line role. Again, its been far from a "disaster"
 
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Hawkaholic said:
He's playing too much. He should be down around 12mins/gp, not the 16 he's getting. I'll have zero worry about him if he's in a 4th line role. Again, its been far from a "disaster"
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he's the captain, he's expected to set the culture, during his tenure that room has been a shitshow, they injected a ton of kids and immediately the team game takes a turn for the better and Pat Boyle says that the room feels completely different...he has no impact on that room
 
Nashville D… plus a #1 overall forward, a #2 overall forward, and Nazar and whatever else shakes out to be good in the pool or in FA. It’s actually a pretty insane haul of players. Rinzel and Vlasic hitting are insane value adds to the team. They neither one had any business being this good.

Imagine if your core was just Levshunov and Korchinski with Bedard and Nazar. You’d be pretty meh about it. The Vlasic and Rinzel hits before we have even started to takeoff from the runway is what will make this a potential perennial contender for a long time.
 
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Most of the young guys were pre-Hawks being serious about the whole tank thing. Really hope the future of a contending Defense is all present in the org as is, especially with D taking a bit longer. Looking forward to upcoming years getting what we can from Greene, Kantserov, Lardis, Boisvert, Vanacker integrated in.
 
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