2025 26 Roster…too Soon

[WarriorofTime]

What sense would it make for those guys to go to the AHL?

More than it would to make a trade just for the sake of doing so, imo. My point is the hawks don’t really have an external factor that is forcing the issue at the moment.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

I think this is what Kaiser is. It would make sense to trade someone that has reached their ceiling.

seems as premature as saying this is what Korchinski is imo

 

[Toews2Bickell]

We are signing Marchand and Brock Nelson
Offer sheeting Jack Quinn

I'm fine if they give some vets like Marchand/Tavares large AAVs with little term but I'm not giving Brock Nelson 8 years thats for sure, or any mid-tier UFA, does nothing for this roster in the near term and there is no guarantee that when this team is finally good that said player(s) are worth their AAVs and that money wouldn't be better utilized elsewhere

 

[Cashman]

seems as premature as saying this is what Korchinski is imo

This is not a 1:1 comparable.

Korchinski has sooo much more upside.

 

[bwanajamba]

People may need to brace themselves for Rinzel getting some time in Rockford to start next year. He has looked excellent so far. He's also 190 pounds (maybe) at 6'5". A full NHL season could be hard on him at that size. He's more elusive than most guys his size but don't forget that McBain hit in that first Utah game

 

[Toews2Bickell]

This is not a 1:1 comparable.

Korchinski has sooo much more upside.

have yet to really see this 'so much more' upside almost 100 games into his career, are there any clips out there of wow plays that he's made?

 

[Cashman]

have yet to really see this 'so much more' upside almost 100 games into his career, are there any clips out there of wow plays that he's made?

I am trying to understand why you have Kaiser having wayyy more upside than Korchinski. One is 20yrs old and WHL and picked in the 1st rd, while the other is 22yrs old and played in college while not being picked in the 1st rd. Why do you have such low regard for the 20yr old?

 

[GoodinOsgoode]

Sens fan here.
I had wanted to ask about Donato as there was a fair bit of chatter about Ottawa being one of the teams that were very interested in him before the trade deadline. Just based on the season that he is/was having, I was quite surprised that he was not dealt, with him being a UFA at the end of the season. Would have thought with the number of teams likely interested in him, he would have brought back a really good return in a deal.

I have heard reports of him being a great teammate, so I assume that the Hawks held on to him and that they will be looking to bring him back this off-season. Was curious as to what you think of his situation and what his next contract will look like. Thank you.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

I am trying to understand why you have Kaiser having wayyy more upside than Korchinski. One is 20yrs old and WHL and picked in the 1st rd, while the other is 22yrs old and played in college while not being picked in the 1st rd. Why do you have such low regard for the 20yr old?

I never said Kaiser has way more upside, I said Korchinski hasn't shown that he has 'way more upside' than Kaiser, he has played almost 100 games in the NHL and we've yet to really see the potential of a former 7th overall pick

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Sens fan here.
I had wanted to ask about Donato as there was a fair bit of chatter about Ottawa being one of the teams that were very interested in him before the trade deadline. Just based on the season that he is/was having, I was quite surprised that he was not dealt, with him being a UFA at the end of the season. Would have thought with the number of teams likely interested in him, he would have brought back a really good return in a deal.

I have heard reports of him being a great teammate, so I assume that the Hawks held on to him and that they will be looking to bring him back this off-season. Was curious as to what you think of his situation and what his next contract will look like. Thank you.

rumor is that the Hawks put a 3 year 4m aav deal on the table and he wants more

 

[GoodinOsgoode]

rumor is that the Hawks put a 3 year 4m aav deal on the table and he wants more

Was his 24-25 season an outlier or is he just a late bloomer?

 

[Mrfenn92]

Was his 24-25 season an outlier or is he just a late bloomer?

I’d say it’s an outlier. But it would awesome for the guy to be a late bloomer. Seems like a great guy.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Was his 24-25 season an outlier or is he just a late bloomer?

lot of opportunity on a bad team, someone has to benefit from that and its been him this year

 

[GoodinOsgoode]

lot of opportunity on a bad team, someone has to benefit from that and its been him this year

Were you upset or surprised that he was not dealt?

Seemed to be the ultimate 'sell high' opportunity.

 

[Kevin Musto]

I am trying to understand why you have Kaiser having wayyy more upside than Korchinski. One is 20yrs old and WHL and picked in the 1st rd, while the other is 22yrs old and played in college while not being picked in the 1st rd. Why do you have such low regard for the 20yr old?

It's not a question of upside.

It's a matter of fit within the system.

Korchinski's ceiling is probably a #3. I think based on everything we've seen, that's a fair peak to set for him. He's never, even in his draft year, shown that he can be a true top pairing guy. But currently, he's a #7.

Vlasic is already a #2, and Rinzel and Levshunov have top pairing upside. Hell, Rinzel might already be one.

Kaiser and EDM are pretty much already #4 type guys.

Crevier is a #6 already.

So let's say, in a couple years, Korchinski doesn't quite hit his ceiling but he ends up a really good #4. By then he'd still be behind Vlasic, Rinzel, and Levshunov on the depth chart. And at most, be on par with Kaiser and EDM. Maybe even Crevier elevates to that level too by then.

You're then in a position where Korch is playing bottom pairing minutes, and getting zero PP time because Rinzel and Lev are running both units. Does that work for the kind of player he is? I don't think so.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Were you upset or surprised that he was not dealt?

Seemed to be the ultimate 'sell high' opportunity.

think everyone was a little surprised he stuck around

 

[Toews2Bickell]

It's not a question of upside.

It's a matter of fit within the system.

Korchinski's ceiling is probably a #3. I think based on everything we've seen, that's a fair peak to set for him. He's never, even in his draft year, shown that he can be a true top pairing guy. But currently, he's a #7.

Vlasic is already a #2, and Rinzel and Levshunov have top pairing upside. Hell, Rinzel might already be one.

Kaiser and EDM are pretty much already #4 type guys.

Crevier is a #6 already.

So let's say, in a couple years, Korchinski doesn't quite hit his ceiling but he ends up a really good #4. By then he'd still be behind Vlasic, Rinzel, and Levshunov on the depth chart. And at most, be on par with Kaiser and EDM. Maybe even Crevier elevates to that level too by then.

You're then in a position where Korch is playing bottom pairing minutes, and getting zero PP time because Rinzel and Lev are running both units. Does that work for the kind of player he is? I don't think so.

Really good summary. The Kaiser/KK debate is about filling the same role. Teams might be anchored to the pick where both players were taken, so KK might have a bit more trade value than Kaiser even if they project similarly right now. That said the return better be good to justify not standing pat on this defense group, there shouldn't be any rush.

 

[Larmer83]

It's not a question of upside.

It's a matter of fit within the system.

Korchinski's ceiling is probably a #3. I think based on everything we've seen, that's a fair peak to set for him. He's never, even in his draft year, shown that he can be a true top pairing guy. But currently, he's a #7.

Vlasic is already a #2, and Rinzel and Levshunov have top pairing upside. Hell, Rinzel might already be one.

Kaiser and EDM are pretty much already #4 type guys.

Crevier is a #6 already.

So let's say, in a couple years, Korchinski doesn't quite hit his ceiling but he ends up a really good #4. By then he'd still be behind Vlasic, Rinzel, and Levshunov on the depth chart. And at most, be on par with Kaiser and EDM. Maybe even Crevier elevates to that level too by then.

You're then in a position where Korch is playing bottom pairing minutes, and getting zero PP time because Rinzel and Lev are running both units. Does that work for the kind of player he is? I don't think so.

Add to that Korch is not getting any PK time since Vlasic, Rinzel, Kaiser, and EDM are better suited for the PK.

 

[Space umpire]

The key is signing the rights vets, the vets currently on the team we can all agree are not the right ones. Running out a lineup of all 24 and under D will undoubtedly have a lot of horrid nights. Need someone to teach them good winning habits

Disagree (somewhat), Foligno, Maroon, Donato and Murphy have been the perfect filler and set great examples.
You constantly see Maroon and Foligno talking to the kids on the bench when their line comes off.
Guys who made long successful careers out of playing the game the right way. Being hard to play against and excellent teammates.
And they (unlike Jones) accept their role. They know this club won’t win but is working toward something that will happen after they’ve retired and are buying into their roles.

Honestly, if Kane wants to return next year that’s fine but having a veteran “leader” who can float and produce based on talent alone wouldn’t have been a positive.
The workmanlike efforts of (many-most) of the vet’s they’ve brought in was (to me) valuable when next years team may be 80% 24 yrs of age or younger. The nucleus, the kids here now are about to take more responsibility (leadership wise) and they’ve been well schooled.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Add to that Korch is not getting any PK time since Vlasic, Rinzel, Kaiser, and EDM are better suited for the PK.

That's right, though Korch has never been projected to be a PKer anyway

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Add to that Korch is not getting any PK time since Vlasic, Rinzel, Kaiser, and EDM are better suited for the PK.

This is something else to consider for the future Dcore moving forward. Having an abundance of dmen who can PK really helps

The cup winning hawks had their entire top 4 killing penalties. I want a score that is good in all areas of the ice.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Really good summary. The Kaiser/KK debate is about filling the same role. Teams might be anchored to the pick where both players were taken, so KK might have a bit more trade value than Kaiser even if they project similarly right now. That said the return better be good to justify not standing pat on this defense group, there shouldn't be any rush.

Right.

Even though they could wind up similar level of players, Korch probably has higher perceived value due to draft pedigree and age.

But yes, you're not going to move Korch just for the hell of it. You do need to get a worthwhile player. But Kyle should be active in pursuing that, not just waiting for something to come his way.

 

[Space umpire]

I don't think the Hawks are just gonna roll a team with like 14 guys that are 23 and under.

I do

 

[Kevin Musto]

I think Marchand and Jeannot are the only UFAs Chicago will land

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

The key is signing the rights vets, the vets currently on the team we can all agree are not the right ones. Running out a lineup of all 24 and under D will undoubtedly have a lot of horrid nights. Need someone to teach them good winning habits

How much teaching did Jones, Martinez and Brodie do this year? I'm fine keeping Murphy until the TDL as the veteran leader, but don't think that giving a contract to someone on their last legs really helps. Would rather have a highly mobile group of aggressive dmen who are unleashed.

I think it's more important to have a coach that can put more team defensive structure in place, as we have too many forwards who are clueless defensively.