2025 26 Roster…too Soon

[x Tame Impala]

Jiricek went 6th overall. Lots of scouts look stupid, often. Which is why following prospects doesn’t interest me at all.

Either way I don’t see the point in digging up Musto’s old mock drafts or whatever. The guy likes prospects and has his opinions. Why don’t the rest of you just get over it and stop dragging the guy?

 

[statswatcher]

Why don’t the rest of you just get over it and stop dragging the guy?

why am i supposed to get over it when someone irritates me on a message board, but you can't get over it when i express that irritation on the same message board?

 

[MHO]

Jiricek went 6th overall. Lots of scouts look stupid, often. Which is why following prospects doesn’t interest me at all.

Either way I don’t see the point in digging up Musto’s old mock drafts or whatever. The guy likes prospects and has his opinions. Why don’t the rest of you just get over it and stop dragging the guy?

To be fair, I'm relatively new and had no idea that he actually shared his drafts. Now that I'm aware of that, I kind of feel bad for starting this whole thing. Musto actually has more wins than losses now that I've seen his boards.

 

[BHawk21]

Wait, what

Thread 'Kevin Musto's 2023 NHL Draft Ranking'

Jun 11, 2023

PROSPECT RANKING

WRITE-UP​

1. C Connor Bedard

Regina Pats, WHL [5’10”. 185lbs. Born on July 17, 2005.] There’s nothing I can say about Bedard that hasn’t been said already. He’s a generational prospect, the best we’ve seen in years. He can fire a shot off from anywhere on the ice, on balance, off balance, it doesn’t matter. Goal scorers don’t come better than this. There are situations in which you think he’s pinned, and then he’ll whip out some magic trick that you’ll need a replay to catch. Bedard is...

• Kevin Musto
• Replies: 74
• Forum: NHL Draft - Prospects

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[Chelios]

Jiricek went 6th overall. Lots of scouts look stupid, often. Which is why following prospects doesn’t interest me at all.

Either way I don’t see the point in digging up Musto’s old mock drafts or whatever. The guy likes prospects and has his opinions. Why don’t the rest of you just get over it and stop dragging the guy?

This argument would be valid if Musto just went about his business like most posters here. The way he shoehorns his biases into almost every conversation in every thread makes him fair game for ridicule as far as I am concerned.

 

[BHawk21]

Jiricek went 6th overall. Lots of scouts look stupid, often. Which is why following prospects doesn’t interest me at all.

Either way I don’t see the point in digging up Musto’s old mock drafts or whatever. The guy likes prospects and has his opinions. Why don’t the rest of you just get over it and stop dragging the guy?

Musto himself will tell you that he shoves his prospect opinions down everyones throats to the point where he makes it his "thing" to be the flag barrer on certain prospects. Im sure if hes giving it he can take some pokes back at his misses.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Jiricek went 6th overall. Lots of scouts look stupid, often. Which is why following prospects doesn’t interest me at all.

Either way I don’t see the point in digging up Musto’s old mock drafts or whatever. The guy likes prospects and has his opinions. Why don’t the rest of you just get over it and stop dragging the guy?

I don't care if he's wrong, we're all wrong about our hunches/vibes a good bit. He just acts like a jerk about it with his big board rankings, like saying things like Blackhawks 3rd round pick Jack Pridham lies awake in fear of Musto favorite Winnipeg 4th round pick Kevin He (drafted 17 spots lower) and then it also gets annoying when he goes to the main board and proposes crazy nonsense involving trade Hawk top prospects that didn't mesh with his big board rank.

 

[Crow]

Jiricek went 6th overall. Lots of scouts look stupid, often. Which is why following prospects doesn’t interest me at all.

Either way I don’t see the point in digging up Musto’s old mock drafts or whatever. The guy likes prospects and has his opinions. Why don’t the rest of you just get over it and stop dragging the guy?

I would agree if his current heavy biases weren’t completely based on his unwarranted view of these players from years ago. He completely ignores the new development and relevant information in player evaluation in favor of having his head up his ass.

Post something like post #753 and you deserve whatever comes to you.

 

[Malagahawks]

 

[bwanajamba]

TYFYS TJ. Whatever people think of him, it's unquestionable that he briefly played hockey for the Chicago Blackhawks.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Can they just count the full cap on next year’s books and not roll $850K or whatever to future years?

 

[Kevin Musto]

Can they just count the full cap on next year’s books and not roll $850K or whatever to future years?

Why does it matter?

Hawks won't be anywhere near the cap

 

[Malagahawks]

I get the need to hit a spending floor across all sports but man the scrubs they sign to decent money is just insane.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Jiricek went 6th overall. Lots of scouts look stupid, often. Which is why following prospects doesn’t interest me at all.

Either way I don’t see the point in digging up Musto’s old mock drafts or whatever. The guy likes prospects and has his opinions. Why don’t the rest of you just get over it and stop dragging the guy?

how accurate have our own prospect ranking threads that happen each summer been? I would assume extremely bad track record, so yeah agree on digging up anyone's old bad takes on a certain player, prospects are hard to project...I personally like to hear the thoughts from people on this board that watch the players because they know the fit better than the pundits will for what this team needs long term

 

[WarriorofTime]

Why does it matter?

Hawks won't be anywhere near the cap

That's my point, better to just apply the entire cap hit to next year.

 

[Putt Pirate]

how accurate have our own prospect ranking threads that happen each summer been? I would assume extremely bad track record, so yeah agree on digging up anyone's old bad takes on a certain player, prospects are hard to project...I personally like to hear the thoughts from people on this board that watch the players because they know the fit better than the pundits will for what this team needs long term

I think it would show we all have our biases.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I really don't think the Hawks have that much of a pressing need to make a trade with a Defenseman, unless KD is trying to get aggressive and secure a big trade robbery (hard to pull off, and even harder if you're actively seeking it) by trading someone whose perceived value is higher than they are. Likely shopping KK is going to look like a position of weakness [think how your eyebrow immediately raises in suspicion if someone says "HEY WE GOT A 21 YEAR OLD FORMER TOP 10 PICK HERE, WHAT WILL YOU GIVE US FOR HIM?" about someone outside the org).

Defensemen under contract 2025-26 (10):
Vlasic
Murphy
Brodie
Levshunov
Korchinski
Rinzel
Del Mastro
Allan
Kuzmin
Harding

Pending RFAs to Re-Sign (2):
Kaiser
Crevier

Pending UFAs:
None

Pending College Players to Sign:
None [Connor Kelley signed a 2-year AHL deal, can assume gone]

Pending Major Junior Players with expiring slide eligibility:
None [Ty Henry who is unsigned is 19 next season]

Pending Euros with expiring rights:
None [Janne Peltonen who probably never get signed is reserve list until 6/1/2027]

LTIR (1):
Weber

Brodie is out of here. Kuzmin/Harding are locks for the AHL. Re-sign Kaiser and Crevier and you're at 9 possible NHL Defensemen. 5 are still Waiver-Exempt [Allan, Del Mastro, Korchinski, Levshunov, Rinzel]. You can send two down at any given time and run with a base roster of 7 DMen. Someone gets hurt, and one is back, Murphy doesn't last the whole season, one is back.

Also does speak to how Hawks will likely want to at least somewhat replenish the future pool with a couple defensemen this draft because you only took Levshunov with a 1-5 round pick in the last two drafts and now everyone is in the pros with a ticking clock, which of course made sense but you'll need a bit of a fresh wave. Of course, Schaefer WOULD force the issue a bit as far as Defense because he could end up in NHL next year, although if the Hawks did take him, it would likely work better for the "logjam" if they slid him back a year. But if no Schaefer, they'll want to use some of their other picks on DMen I'm guessing.

I think if a trade opportunity comes along [NCAA guys that don't want to sign with their drafting team?], Hawks will look at it, but I don't see a need to have to make a trade and have to try and force Korchinski, Levshunov, Rinzel and one of Del Mastro/Allan into the NHL for the entire season. I know it's a lot of 1st round capital there, but Defensemen spending some more time in the AHL when a team has the flexibility for it is rarely a bad thing.

 

[x Tame Impala]

I get the need to hit a spending floor across all sports but man the scrubs they sign to decent money is just insane.

It’s only going to get worse with the rising cap and as we see a 36(!) team NHL

 

[x Tame Impala]

why am i supposed to get over it when someone irritates me on a message board, but you can't get over it when i express that irritation on the same message board?

Pulling up old posts about prospect evaluations as a gotcha moment is just dumb. Everywhere I’ve looked the evaluations are usually way off. Go look at the top 50 prospects lists on HF year by year and see how laughably wrong people are constantly. Even the conglomerate lists made by professionals (Button/Bobby Mack/Pronman/etc…) are usually way off. Predicting how draft picks will pan out involves a lot more luck than people are willing to admit.

Musto is a nut and can be obnoxious, but he probably puts in some effort to watch these kids so I don’t see the point in trying to make him look stupid. At least he’s got the balls to post his lists and have his opinions be out there.

 

[statswatcher]

Pulling up old posts about prospect evaluations as a gotcha moment is just dumb. Everywhere I’ve looked the evaluations are usually way off. Go look at the top 50 prospects lists on HF year by year and see how laughably wrong people are constantly. Even the conglomerate lists made by professionals (Button/Bobby Mack/Pronman/etc…) are usually way off. Predicting how draft picks will pan out involves a lot more luck than people are willing to admit.

to me this is more indication that prospectswatching as an enterprise is mostly bunk hokum scarcely better than fortune-telling and worthy of ridicule itself rather than that musto shouldn't be ridiculed for taking part in it and being pretty bad at it even on its own terms.

Musto is a nut and can be obnoxious, but he probably puts in some effort to watch these kids so I don’t see the point in trying to make him look stupid.

that's the thing is you don't have to try to make him look stupid. he does that all of his own accord and constantly. all you really have to do most times is point at it and 9/10 people will understand.

 

[Putt Pirate]

I think Musto’s schtick is a bit tongue in cheek. Yes, he has his faves and will die on that cross. But sometimes he is entertaining because of it. Kinda like Oldschool but he is was totally off the Rez on Lev to a point he will never have any credibility and looked like a cuck. I think he limped back to the Bruins board.

 

[statswatcher]

I think Musto’s schtick is a bit tongue in cheek.

i was under the impression everyone here was 100% serious 100% of the time

 

[ColbyChaos]

I think Musto’s schtick is a bit tongue in cheek. Yes, he has his faves and will die on that cross. But sometimes he is entertaining because of it. Kinda like Oldschool but he is was totally off the Rez on Lev to a point he will never have any credibility and looked like a cuck. I think he limped back to the Bruins board.

@OldScool where you at you cuck!

 

[Darkstar]

@OldScool where you at you cuck!

Probably, sitting in the dark, listening to the Smiths and wondering how it went so wrong.

 

[Northernhawk]

I really don't think the Hawks have that much of a pressing need to make a trade with a Defenseman, unless KD is trying to get aggressive and secure a big trade robbery (hard to pull off, and even harder if you're actively seeking it) by trading someone whose perceived value is higher than they are. Likely shopping KK is going to look like a position of weakness [think how your eyebrow immediately raises in suspicion if someone says "HEY WE GOT A 21 YEAR OLD FORMER TOP 10 PICK HERE, WHAT WILL YOU GIVE US FOR HIM?" about someone outside the org).

Defensemen under contract 2025-26 (10):
Vlasic
Murphy
Brodie
Levshunov
Korchinski
Rinzel
Del Mastro
Allan
Kuzmin
Harding

Pending RFAs to Re-Sign (2):
Kaiser
Crevier

Pending UFAs:
None

Pending College Players to Sign:
None [Connor Kelley signed a 2-year AHL deal, can assume gone]

Pending Major Junior Players with expiring slide eligibility:
None [Ty Henry who is unsigned is 19 next season]

Pending Euros with expiring rights:
None [Janne Peltonen who probably never get signed is reserve list until 6/1/2027]

LTIR (1):
Weber

Brodie is out of here. Kuzmin/Harding are locks for the AHL. Re-sign Kaiser and Crevier and you're at 9 possible NHL Defensemen. 5 are still Waiver-Exempt [Allan, Del Mastro, Korchinski, Levshunov, Rinzel]. You can send two down at any given time and run with a base roster of 7 DMen. Someone gets hurt, and one is back, Murphy doesn't last the whole season, one is back.

Also does speak to how Hawks will likely want to at least somewhat replenish the future pool with a couple defensemen this draft because you only took Levshunov with a 1-5 round pick in the last two drafts and now everyone is in the pros with a ticking clock, which of course made sense but you'll need a bit of a fresh wave. Of course, Schaefer WOULD force the issue a bit as far as Defense because he could end up in NHL next year, although if the Hawks did take him, it would likely work better for the "logjam" if they slid him back a year. But if no Schaefer, they'll want to use some of their other picks on DMen I'm guessing.

I think if a trade opportunity comes along [NCAA guys that don't want to sign with their drafting team?], Hawks will look at it, but I don't see a need to have to make a trade and have to try and force Korchinski, Levshunov, Rinzel and one of Del Mastro/Allan into the NHL for the entire season. I know it's a lot of 1st round capital there, but Defensemen spending some more time in the AHL when a team has the flexibility for it is rarely a bad thing.

Alex Martinez is a pending UFA

Victor Soderstrom is a RFA