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2025 26 Roster…too Soon

Space umpire said:
Disagree (somewhat), Foligno, Maroon, Donato and Murphy have been the perfect filler and set great examples.
You constantly see Maroon and Foligno talking to the kids on the bench when their line comes off.
Guys who made long successful careers out of playing the game the right way. Being hard to play against and excellent teammates.
And they (unlike Jones) accept their role. They know this club won’t win but is working toward something that will happen after they’ve retired and are buying into their roles.

Honestly, if Kane wants to return next year that’s fine but having a veteran “leader” who can float and produce based on talent alone wouldn’t have been a positive.
The workmanlike efforts of (many-most) of the vet’s they’ve brought in was (to me) valuable when next years team may be 80% 24 yrs of age or younger. The nucleus, the kids here now are about to take more responsibility (leadership wise) and they’ve been well schooled.
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I don't think Foligno and Maroon have set good examples. Foligno has been to zero optional skates and has only talked in media about playing the right way and setting examples for the kids but does he really lead by example on the ice? I don't think so. There will be veterans that are a better fit for this team in free agency. Donato and Murphy I think have been better at setting example and being good vet leaders.
 
Kevin Musto said:
I think Marchand and Jeannot are the only UFAs Chicago will land
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They would be fine If we didnt get Marner or Ehlers 's . Brock Nelson would be a great addition as well . Wonder If $25 million for 3 years could snag Marchant ?
 
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The construction of the 2025/26 roster should start with two givens - (1) do not acquire any d-men (unless it's Schaefer in the draft} as we will still have the two veteran boat anchors Murphy and Brodie, and (2) don't sign anyone who doesn't have at least 5 more years of high level play before they fade out.

After that - I don't care what moves are made because the 2025/26 season is going to be another big loser in the standings but hopefully a great year of experience for all our young players.
 
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EbonyRaptor said:
The construction of the 2025/26 roster should start with two givens - (1) do not acquire any d-men (unless it's Schaefer in the draft} as we will still have the two veteran boat anchors Murphy and Brodie, and (2) don't sign anyone who doesn't have at least 5 more years of high level play before they fade out.

After that - I don't care what moves are made because the 2025/26 season is going to be another big loser in the standings but hopefully a great year of experience for all our young players.
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Let’s be real, Brodie is not going to be on this team next year and Murphy is going to be injured half the year.
 
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SimpleJack said:
With each passing game that team plays this looks more and more like a potential franchise-altering move by them. Talk about striking gold. Each player has exceeded expectations with Brobergs injury being the only minor bump in the road. And as big of an upgrade/improvement as that was for STL its an equally as big of a kick in the nuts to the Oilers.
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Yup. That’s why you can’t have bad contracts on your team when you’re trying to contend. It costs you good, young, cheap players. Which is why I don’t want to throw stupid money at the Brock Boeser’s/Nelson’s of the world.
 
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I get that Korchinski was drafted high at 7 OA, but send him to Rockford and let him develop. Not everyone transitions to the NHL that easily. He needs more time in all situations. Look At Edvinsson in DET. 6th OA and Detroit had him play 104 games in the AHL before playing up all season. Korch has 54 AHL games. Send him back down and take it slower with him.
 
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MicronMega said:
I get that Korchinski was drafted high at 7 OA, but send him to Rockford and let him develop. Not everyone transitions to the NHL that easily. He needs more time in all situations. Look At Edvinsson in DET. 6th OA and Detroit had him play 104 games in the AHL before playing up all season. Korch has 54 AHL games. Send him back down and take it slower with him.
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Kyle doesn't like when his son is away from him
 
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Kyle doesn't like when his son is away from him

Not understanding the son comment. But the kid needs more time to develop. If Schafer gets drafted KK is either a 5-6 or on another team.

Schafer-Levshunov
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MicronMega said:
Kyle doesn't like when his son is away from him

Not understanding the son comment. But the kid needs more time to develop. If Schafer gets drafted KK is either a 5-6 or on another team.

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I've come around a bit with the idea of drafting Schaefer (if possible) even though defense is already a team strength and offense is not. I think back to Nashville in the mid-2010's when they had a tremendous d-corps comprised of Shea Weber and Ryan Suter on their top line, Roman Josi and Mattias Ekholm on the 2nd line, and then guys like Seth Jones, Ryan Ellis and PK Subban sprinkled into the lineup over a 4 or 5 year period.

Now I'm not suggesting our group + Schaefer would be as good as that group - but it is intriguiing to say the least.
 
EbonyRaptor said:
I've come around a bit with the idea of drafting Schaefer (if possible) even though defense is already a team strength and offense is not. I think back to Nashville in the mid-2010's when they had a tremendous d-corps comprised of Shea Weber and Ryan Suter on their top line, Roman Josi and Mattias Ekholm on the 2nd line, and then guys like Seth Jones, Ryan Ellis and PK Subban sprinkled into the lineup over a 4 or 5 year period.

Now I'm not suggesting our group + Schaefer would be as good as that group - but it is intriguiing to say the least.
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It’s funny there has been a lot of mentions about wanting to become the new predators and have a super stacked top 4 even if it hurts the team by having a pitiful forward and center group. Those stacked Nashville teams have accomplished sweet f*** all the last 20 years with that Dcore. Those preds teams were either missing the playoffs of getting eliminated in round 1 for the better part of the last 20 years.

You need elite centers to win and we still have a lot of questions at that most important position in hockey.

The one year the preds actually made the finals they had Johansen playing like a 1C (also the last time he was actually good)

Pens won cups with two of the best Cs down the middle and a weak defense.

Bruins won a cup and had multiple finals appearances with Bergeron and a very underrated David Krejci down the middle.

La won multiple with Kopitar, Carter and Richards(concussions ruined him after 2013)

Chicago obviously had Toews and Kane basically ran his own line as if he was a center.

Tampa had Stamkos and Point

Florida had Barkov and Reinhart

Colorado had MacK and Kadri

None of them built their team by the Nashville model by over drafting defense and having a weak forward group.

Before anyone says just trade Korchinski If he already is seen as not being good enough to leap Del Mastro in the depth charts why on earth would a team give up a high ceiling forward prospect for him? Odds are if that happened the return would have a lot of people here pissed
 
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ColbyChaos said:
It’s funny there has been a lot of mentions about wanting to become the new predators and have a super stacked top 4 even if it hurts the team by having a pitiful forward and center group. Those stacked Nashville teams have accomplished sweet f*** all the last 20 years with that Dcore. Those preds teams were either missing the playoffs of getting eliminated in round 1 for the better part of the last 20 years.

You need elite centers to win and we still have a lot of questions at that most important position in hockey.

The one year the preds actually made the finals they had Johansen playing like a 1C (also the last time he was actually good)

Pens won cups with two of the best Cs down the middle and a weak defense.

Bruins won a cup and had multiple finals appearances with Bergeron and a very underrated David Krejci down the middle.

La won multiple with Kopitar, Carter and Richards(concussions ruined him after 2013)

Chicago obviously had Toews and Kane basically ran his own line as if he was a center.

Tampa had Stamkos and Point

Florida had Barkov and Reinhart

Colorado had MacK and Kadri

None of them built their team by the Nashville model by over drafting defense and having a weak forward group.

Before anyone says just trade Korchinski If he already is seen as not being good enough to leap Del Mastro in the depth charts why on earth would a team give up a high ceiling forward prospect for him? Odds are if that happened the return would have a lot of people here pissed
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counter argument is you send Schaefer back to junior and you tank again for another high end forward in 26 and spend all your excess assets on the forward position the next few offseasons, this rebuild isnt near done after this draft
 
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ColbyChaos said:
It’s funny there has been a lot of mentions about wanting to become the new predators and have a super stacked top 4 even if it hurts the team by having a pitiful forward and center group. Those stacked Nashville teams have accomplished sweet f*** all the last 20 years with that Dcore. Those preds teams were either missing the playoffs of getting eliminated in round 1 for the better part of the last 20 years.

You need elite centers to win and we still have a lot of questions at that most important position in hockey.

The one year the preds actually made the finals they had Johansen playing like a 1C (also the last time he was actually good)

Pens won cups with two of the best Cs down the middle and a weak defense.

Bruins won a cup and had multiple finals appearances with Bergeron and a very underrated David Krejci down the middle.

La won multiple with Kopitar, Carter and Richards(concussions ruined him after 2013)

Chicago obviously had Toews and Kane basically ran his own line as if he was a center.

Tampa had Stamkos and Point

Florida had Barkov and Reinhart

Colorado had MacK and Kadri

None of them built their team by the Nashville model by over drafting defense and having a weak forward group.

Before anyone says just trade Korchinski If he already is seen as not being good enough to leap Del Mastro in the depth charts why on earth would a team give up a high ceiling forward prospect for him? Odds are if that happened the return would have a lot of people here pissed
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trade kk before his value diminishes, he still has some mystery box aura to him with his skill level and draft pedigree
 
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ColbyChaos said:
It’s funny there has been a lot of mentions about wanting to become the new predators and have a super stacked top 4 even if it hurts the team by having a pitiful forward and center group. Those stacked Nashville teams have accomplished sweet f*** all the last 20 years with that Dcore. Those preds teams were either missing the playoffs of getting eliminated in round 1 for the better part of the last 20 years.

You need elite centers to win and we still have a lot of questions at that most important position in hockey.

The one year the preds actually made the finals they had Johansen playing like a 1C (also the last time he was actually good)

Pens won cups with two of the best Cs down the middle and a weak defense.

Bruins won a cup and had multiple finals appearances with Bergeron and a very underrated David Krejci down the middle.

La won multiple with Kopitar, Carter and Richards(concussions ruined him after 2013)

Chicago obviously had Toews and Kane basically ran his own line as if he was a center.

Tampa had Stamkos and Point

Florida had Barkov and Reinhart

Colorado had MacK and Kadri

None of them built their team by the Nashville model by over drafting defense and having a weak forward group.

Before anyone says just trade Korchinski If he already is seen as not being good enough to leap Del Mastro in the depth charts why on earth would a team give up a high ceiling forward prospect for him? Odds are if that happened the return would have a lot of people here pissed
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Yes, I knew this counter-point would be coming before I hit send, and I'm sympathetic to it, but adding a potential top-5 in the league d-man to this group is pretty heady stuff and fun to think about.
 
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one key to avoiding a Nashville situation if you take Schaefer is to avoid ending the rebuild prematurely, yes it wouldn't be ideal if they go Schaefer and then suddenly find themselves picking later in the lotto when they need more impact forwards
 
Maybe it’s my bias but I think our top 4 has a much higher ceiling than Nashville’s did. What year is it would most say the Nashville defense peaked?


Their Cup year Ekholm was really only a defensive guy and Josi wasn’t elite offensively yet. Then you had Subban and Ellis who were very good, but not elite either.
 
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Marchand turns 37 in a month. Can we just not with the massively overpaid veterans?

We still have Foligno and Brodie to fill that role under contract for next year.

Not to mention Marchand has not adapted well at all outside of Boston.
 
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