I'm not so sure. I think these guys are making that type of move precisely because it's somewhere they can play, i.e., their level.
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Wes McKennie is one of Juve's best players this season after going to Leeds. I think that might be part of the problem, but is far from being the only problem.
Chimaera
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Not every move works out and to some extent you take what you can get... but it just seems like a lot of the USMNT players (no matter how good) are not making the best decisions as far as transfers go to help themselves and their careers.
Which is kind of funny, because Leeds supporters despised him and said he couldn't play. Still, that's just one guy.
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Adams and Aaronson honestly weren't likely to get starter minutes at better teams than Leeds (which was also one of the few lower sides playing attacking football, which if you're as USMNT fan you should prob want?), and I genuinely don't think Reyna walks into the starting XI at Forest. If these guys want to go to better teams, they should probably be better at football.
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He was one of their better players at times prior to the move to Leeds.
I just think there's a middle ground between a relegation scrap in England and sitting the bench somewhere they're not good enough for.
There are plenty of mid table sides across Europe who some of these guys could get minutes for to help their career.
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Which is fair. Of course, Aaronson transferred to a CL team and Adams has been injured, so it's hard to judge his level at the moment.
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Leeds with Marsch there was certainly a bit of a different animal for some of the moves... I just feel like there's a tendency for these guys to go there partially because they're American and might hold some more value because of it.
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McKennie is interesting because he is way too athletic for most of Serie A, but in the PL (in terms of his athleticism) he is just another guy. I do think that he took some weight off this year which has helped, but he should have no reason to leave Juve
Yeah, they could also play a mid-table side in Germany or France, but on what basis is that a better move? They make less money and play in a less-quality league with fewer quality players.
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Marsch was also canned right after McKennie came in, so that didn't help things for McKennie either.
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Yeah, and you can also mention that Adams was a starter at RBL before going to Leeds. So discussing the level seems like a bit of a red herring.
And Reyna had 7+2 in 22 games for Dortmund last year. I just don't know that talent is the biggest issue.
Wee Baby Seamus
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At which he's played 528 minutes through half a season in all competitions, and has only started twice since October 1. He'd probably be better off at Leeds right now, starting week-in week-out on one of the best teams in the Championship, than riding pine in a relegation scrap.
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Aaronson's press numbers on a side that were going to use him as such made it at least intriguing. Prior to his move, his time at Salzburg was pretty solid.
I'm not sure he's good enough to be at a good side, but there's some potential.
I'm not sure he's good enough to be at a good side, but there's some potential.
Chimaera
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I mean, going down, seeing a manager canned, dealing with the roster turnover. Basically ending up having to find a new move because the club are changing directions, likely make some sense of being a worse option.
I understand the less money bit. But are they really making that much more money in a side like Burnley or Leeds than say, Genoa / Bologna, or say, Real Betis or someone else who's kinda mid table there? It can't be that absurdly more to where they're not even taking a look.
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I like Aaronson’s toolbox but I think he is one of these guys that just doesn’t really have a position. Especially at PL level
Wee Baby Seamus
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Chimaera
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How much so? I'm actually intrigued. In trying to find some numbers...
I mean, I know it's hard to know exact numbers... so it's a bit of shooting in the dark, but Leeds salaries would likely be a bit higher as they just went down, so some players are getting escalators. But I don't see where a player couldn't slot in somewhere in the top portion of a mid table club there. They were likely higher in the EPL, as you see other lower table sides with more.
If you go to Real Betis (who admittedly are higher up the table usually...) it's more comparable.
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I just don't know if it's all about the dollars of the moves. There's an argument to be made that we might be talking a couple hundred thousand to take the EPL move. Clubs at the bottom of the table in the EPL aren't breaking the bank either.
Hmm... looking at it more, there's certainly a pay gap. But I don't know if it's completely why they're ending up there.
Taxes are also better for the rich in the UK than SpainHow much so? I'm actually intrigued. In trying to find some numbers...
I mean, I know it's hard to know exact numbers... so it's a bit of shooting in the dark, but Leeds salaries would likely be a bit higher as they just went down, so some players are getting escalators. But I don't see where a player couldn't slot in somewhere in the top portion of a mid table club there. They were likely higher in the EPL, as you see other lower table sides with more.
If you go to Real Betis (who admittedly are higher up the table usually...) it's more comparable.
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I just don't know if it's all about the dollars of the moves. There's an argument to be made that we might be talking a couple hundred thousand to take the EPL move. Clubs at the bottom of the table in the EPL aren't breaking the bank either.
Hmm... looking at it more, there's certainly a pay gap. But I don't know if it's completely why they're ending up there.
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