2024 Training Camp Roster & Schedule

[Pavels Dog]

Is he just not that good on the PP? I'd have expected him to get more points in a year by now. I'm debating over taking him or Faber this year and I have no clue if Seider has that potential offensively.

He's good at it, probably not elite. Gostisbehere was 6th in the league in PPP/60 last season (>100 PP minutes) behind just Fox, Bouchard, Makar, Hughes and Hedman. So that's elite territory. Seider was 15th, so still really good though. Imo his offensive potential is a bit higher than Faber's and I think it's more likely Seider gets PP1 time now that he's competing with Gustafsson.

 

[Henkka]

He's good at it, probably not elite. Gostisbehere was 6th in the league in PPP/60 last season (>100 PP minutes) behind just Fox, Bouchard, Makar, Hughes and Hedman. So that's elite territory. Seider was 15th, so still really good though. Imo his offensive potential is a bit higher than Faber's and I think it's more likely Seider gets PP1 time now that he's competing with Gustafsson.

2nd PP P/60 is never really a good comparable versus those starting 5-man units, because Starting units will start from O.zone faceoffs and 2nd units have to start from own end after a clearing play, and - make a clear zone entry again and that takes time.

If you find a stat which will compare Seider's and Ghost's PP O.zone start shifts P/60 only, then we have a comparable number. Those general numbers aren't good ones. They always favor the starting units, even if the player would be a worse one.

 

[Pavels Dog]

2nd PP P/60 is never really a good comparable versus those starting 5-man units, because Starting units will start from O.zone faceoffs and 2nd units have to start from own end after a clearing play, and - make a clear zone entry again and that takes time.

If you find a stat which will compare Seider's and Ghost's PP O.zone start shifts P/60 only, then we have a comparable number. Those general numbers aren't good ones. They always favor the starting units, even if the player would be a worse one.

Well we have Seider's numbers from his first 2 seasons also.

 

[Henkka]

Well we have Seider's numbers from his first 2 seasons also.

Yeah, with worse PP-linemates.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Wasn't Seider on the PP last year? I'm surprised he didn't have more than 40 points if so.

He was PP2 with the following;

DBC (don't know why he was PP2 for so long)-Copp - Fabbri
Compher

He'd soak up very few PP1 minutes. That unit was mostly;

Perron - Larkin - Raymond
Ghost - Kane

 

[Zalos]

He was PP2 with the following;

DBC (don't know why he was PP2 for so long)-Copp - Fabbri
Compher

He'd soak up very few PP1 minutes. That unit was mostly;

Perron - Larkin - Raymond
Ghost - Kane

Yea, you'd think they'd put him with the top group this year.

 

[norrisnick]

Ghost had better individual stats. The PP itself was more productive with Mo.

 

[MBauer]

Seider should be on the top pp unit, and shouldn't even really be a debate. Gustafsson had a career high of 18 PP points during Kane's best season, his PP numbers just aren't very good. He's a mid 2nd PP unit guy at best, and not even a PP guy on a good team.

 

[RedHawkDown]

I don't really undestand how we can justify paying a guy 8.5M for 7 years and not evne use him on the top PP.

 

[lhsgolf19]

Not sure where to put it but

https://x.com/i/web/status/1841502341360452075

Go Marco and Carter