WJC: 2024 Team Canada Roster Talk - Part 1

[joeyrikley]

He definitely shouldnt be the no doubt anything. Hes good and hes definitely going to play a role on the team, but hes not some guy you just give a spot to either. Everything he does, Danielson does as well and despite Danielsons slow start offensively hes definitely more rounded offensively. Like I said, depends on camp and pretournament games but having Danielson in a top 9 role on paper makes more sense due to his offensive upside over Beck.

Danielson offensively in his draft year was on a level that Beck has never hit before, same with in preseason in the NHL. I'll take that sample size over his slow start to his WHL season on a bad team

I'll take the 16 game sample size we're currently getting over last year where he wasn't by any means a super dynamic offensive force? Beck is the prototypical 3rd line Canadian centre, who is better than Danielson right now.

 

[mrshootthepuck]

Any chance Noah Chadwick gets a camp invite?

6’4” 200 lbs LHD

20 games 6 goals 17 points +13 on Lethbridge

Good junior but he is not on Team Canada's radar at this point. 18 year olds need to be exceptionally good to get the nod over 19's.

 

[Boonk]

Welp. If we thought Benson was a remote possibility we can forget about that lmao

 

[ORRFForever]

Welp. If we thought Benson was a remote possibility we can forget about that lmao

Yes. Quite a goal. WOW.

And, yet, he is somehow NOT on TSN's 50 under 24 list.

 

[ORRFForever]

Wright riding the bench, again.

Asked for the 50th time :

Unless he does NOT want to go, and there's always that possibility, why not send him to the WJR's?

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

Think I was wrong about Benson. Totally revitalized after returning from a minor injury.

Spectacular goal tonight. Really smart assist on Dahlin's goal against Chicago. Motor never stops running.

He's made it very difficult for Adams to justify sending him down now. He'd be harming the team.

 

[newfy]

I'll take the 16 game sample size we're currently getting over last year where he wasn't by any means a super dynamic offensive force? Beck is the prototypical 3rd line Canadian centre, who is better than Danielson right now.

So based on your box score watching, 16 game sample, difference of 3 points this season you know for sure that Beck is a better player than the top 10 pick who was significantly better offensively last season than Beck has been his whole career? The guy who Bedard says is the hardest player he had to play against in the draft? Youll take the 16 game sample over the 68 games, plus 5 preseason games where Danielson was for sure better because Beck has 3 more points in completely different leagues and teams?

I'm not saying Danielson is definitely better, and that camp will have a lot of stuff play out since Danielson has had a slow start but I'll be pretty surprised if Danielson is playing lower in the lineup than Beck

 

[joeyrikley]

So based on your box score watching, 16 game sample, difference of 3 points this season you know for sure that Beck is a better player than the top 10 pick who was significantly better offensively last season than Beck has been his whole career? The guy who Bedard says is the hardest player he had to play against in the draft? Youll take the 16 game sample over the 68 games, plus 5 preseason games where Danielson was for sure better because Beck has 3 more points in completely different leagues and teams?

I'm not saying Danielson is definitely better, and that camp will have a lot of stuff play out since Danielson has had a slow start but I'll be pretty surprised if Danielson is playing lower in the lineup than Beck

Beck began the season with 0 points in 4 games, since then he’s been on fire, got a hatty a couple nights ago. He’s, in my opinion, the perfect third line center. Fast, has edge, throws the body, very good defensively, can score. Not to mention, one of these guys was actually on last years team!! I’ll give you a hint, it was not Danielson

 

[NordiquesForeva]

Beck began the season with 0 points in 4 games, since then he’s been on fire, got a hatty a couple nights ago. He’s, in my opinion, the perfect third line center. Fast, has edge, throws the body, very good defensively, can score. Not to mention, one of these guys was actually on last years team!! I’ll give you a hint, it was not Danielson

Beck was also a critical piece (#2C) on a Petes team that went to the Memorial Cup last year. He has a significant amount of experience in high-pressure game environments relative to most of the other forwards projected to be on this team.

I've been consistent in thinking Beck will be the ideal #3C for this Canadian team.

 

[newfy]

Beck began the season with 0 points in 4 games, since then he’s been on fire, got a hatty a couple nights ago. He’s, in my opinion, the perfect third line center. Fast, has edge, throws the body, very good defensively, can score. Not to mention, one of these guys was actually on last years team!! I’ll give you a hint, it was not Danielson

Ok so he had a bad 4 games to start the year, so now youre actually going with a good 13 game sample to decide who he should for sure be in the line up over. Interesting.

13 game sample and playing a tiny role on last years team is not enough to say he should for sure be above a top 10 pick before theyve even been on the ice together. If Danielsons next 5 games are really good and Beck has a small slump are you going to be changing your mind?

 

[joeyrikley]

Ok so he had a bad 4 games to start the year, so now youre actually going with a good 13 game sample to decide who he should for sure be in the line up over. Interesting.

13 game sample and playing a tiny role on last years team is not enough to say he should for sure be above a top 10 pick before theyve even been on the ice together. If Danielsons next 5 games are really good and Beck has a small slump are you going to be changing your mind?

No lol. Stop mentioning draft position like that has any relevance in the way Canada makes their team. Clarke was top 10, didn’t get an invite to camp, Savoie was top 10, wasn’t invited to camp. You know who was, second round pick Owen Beck. You know why? Because his game is incredibly suited to team Canada’s general play style.

Danielson is a good player, but top ten was a reach, and he statistically isn’t proving he’s this dynamic offensive player you seem to believe he is.

As mentioned by another user, Beck was on a team that went on a Memorial Cup run. He also got called up to the NHL at 18, likely had a good chance this year if the Habs didn’t have a jam packed forward core. Also beat out Schaefer for the fourth line spot, despite getting the call for the tournament late.

So, yes I think Beck is more likely to play a bigger role than Danielson. I’ll leave it at that, there’s no point going back and forth

 

[jj cale]

Wright riding the bench, again.

Asked for the 50th time :

Unless he does NOT want to go, and there's always that possibility, why not send him to the WJR's?

You're doing all you can but I think you can give up on any hope of wright being on this team buddy, it's just not happening, the kraken simply don't want him playing junior hockey anymore, to them it's a step back at this point.The bigger concern is no Benson to be honest.

 

[ORRFForever]

You're doing all you can but I think you can give up on any hope of wright being on this team buddy, it's just not happening, the kraken simply don't want him playing junior hockey anymore, to them it's a step back at this point.The bigger concern is no Benson to be honest.

Sad but true.

 

[NordiquesForeva]

You're doing all you can but I think you can give up on any hope of wright being on this team buddy, it's just not happening, the kraken simply don't want him playing junior hockey anymore, to them it's a step back at this point.The bigger concern is no Benson to be honest.

I would love to get Poitras and/or Benson. I think its possible that one or both of them gets released, but less than 50% chance for each of them imo. They're both important to their NHL teams and getting quality ice time. Its difficult for NHL teams to release guys like that, though neither has previously played in the World Juniors so that's why I still think its possible they get released. I think NHL teams like giving their players at least one opportunity to represent their countries in the World Juniors before they age out of junior.

Conversely, despite not being utilized much in Seattle that's also why I think Francis is very reluctant to send Wright back this year, as he's already had his opportunity to represent Canada (well, two opportunities).

 

[jj cale]

Sad but true.

Lot of important losses this year with next to none for our major competitors so it's gonna be tough but we will manage.

Just gotta get a good game plan and good goaltending. On the plus side if we manage to win it truly will be one of our greatest victories at this tournament. It's basically a dream team for the U.S this year, I mean.........................they have to win or it's a major embarrassment, lot of pressure on them, think about how great it will be if we can take them out. It will be like Gavle 93, one of my most cherished Canadian victories.

There's always a positive to be found if you look for them.

I would love to get Poitras and/or Benson. I think its possible that one or both of them gets released, but less than 50% chance for each of them imo. They're both important to their NHL teams and getting quality ice time. Its difficult for NHL teams to release guys like that, though neither has previously played in the World Juniors so that's why I still think its possible they get released. I think NHL teams like giving their players at least one opportunity to represent their countries in the World Juniors before they age out of junior.

Conversely, despite not being utilized much in Seattle that's also why I think Francis is very reluctant to send Wright back this year, as he's already had his opportunity to represent Canada (well, two opportunities).

Our hope lies in what you point out here.

 

[NordiquesForeva]

Another point - with the head coach this year being Letang, from Sarnia, he's someone that would be very familiar with London players like Cowan, Barkey, and Bonk, as well as Rekhopf from Kitchener. London eliminated Sarnia in the western conference finals last season. I'm not saying this gives those particular players any sort of inside edge, but in forming his roster Letang would already be very familiar with what those players bring to the table and I think Cowan in particular is a lock for a bottom-6 role, with Barkey having a good chance too. Rekhopf likely needs to play the wing and have a scoring role in the top-6 open up for him, but he certainly merits a camp invitation and strong consideration.

 

[ORRFForever]

Lot of important losses this year with next to none for our major competitors so it's gonna be tough but we will manage.

Just gotta get a good game plan and good goaltending. On the plus side if we manage to win it truly will be one of our greatest victories at this tournament. It's basically a dream team for the U.S this year, I mean.........................they have to win or it's a major embarrassment, lot of pressure on them, think about how great it will be if we can take them out. It will be like Gavle 93, one of my most cherished Canadian victories.

There's always a positive to be found if you look for them.


Our hope lies in what you point out here.

That's true but how many players are we losing this year? 7?

That's crazy... and UN-fair.

 

[jj cale]

That's true but how many players are we losing this year? 7?

That's crazy... and UN-fair.

It's just the way this tournament is, no use ruminating about it because it won't get us anywhere.

You work with what you got, try to improve each game so you're ready to give any team a run come the money games. That's all you can do.

 

[X66]

Hard to really complain about anything in these lineups without really splitting hairs. Camp and pre tourney games may decide some different lines and things but no massive changes from me.

Minten Beck Cowan could be a really fun fourth line to watch. Unleash the hounds and let them go get some momentum, I'm not sure any of them score much in a oturney like this though

Going to be dependent on ice-time but Cowan and Minten were filling the nets for prospect tournaments and NHL training camps/pre-season games this year.

Underrated line IMO.

 

[NordiquesForeva]

It's just the way this tournament is, no use ruminating about it because it won't get us anywhere.

You work with what you got, try to improve each game so you're ready to give any team a run come the money games. That's all you can do.

This is maybe a politically-incorrect statement, but Canada is good and deep enough to win gold at the world juniors every single year, regardless of the players made or not made available by their NHL teams.

Failure to win gold is usually due to poor tactical coaching, or poor roster construction/strategy. From time to time we're outmanned, in which case the team that beat us is likely missing high-end talent as well.

Missing NHL players happens every year, is an issue faced by every team, and shouldn't be used an excuse.

 

[jj cale]

This is maybe a politically-incorrect statement, but Canada is good and deep enough to win gold at the world juniors every single year, regardless of the players made or not made available by their NHL teams.

Failure to win gold is usually due to poor tactical coaching, or poor roster construction/strategy. From time to time we're outmanned, in which case the team that beat us is likely missing high-end talent as well.

Missing NHL players happens every year, is an issue faced by every team, and shouldn't be used an excuse.

I actually am really looking forward to the challenge this year provides, it heats my competitiveness up.

 

[NordiquesForeva]

I actually am really looking forward to the challenge this year provides, it heats my competitiveness up.

The players probably feel the same.

 

[jj cale]

The players probably feel the same.

Its the required attitude for sure.

 

[HockeyPops]

Meneghin is having a great year and stopping a lot of pucks. Bjarnason is also having a great year and has provided his team with better chances to win game to game than Meneghin has. Bjarnason has the higher Quality Starts % compared to Meneghin though Meneghin does have the highest GSAA in the WHL so credit to him. Stopping pucks in the CHL though is important but not the most important factor when deciding on a goalie for the WJC's or Nathan Darveau would have been on the team last year. Meneghin really likes to rely on his inner edges, agility and reactions. He's not a goalie that reads the play often as he prefers just reacting to the play. The issue is also while he has a good level of agility it's not to a level that will make up for the lack of reads. Bjarnason has good reads, has a good understanding of the technical parts of the position, and isn't really lacking in the mobility/agility department either.

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[ORRFForever]

It's just the way this tournament is, no use ruminating about it because it won't get us anywhere.

You work with what you got, try to improve each game so you're ready to give any team a run come the money games. That's all you can do.

You are right.