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Avery16 said:
Nah. If cap and other targets were no issue, we’d have just swapped them in the lineup and see how Kakko did with the extra minutes.

Drury wanted to go tuff and he thought Buch was a waste of money.
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Incorrect.

Kreider signed long term
Zibby contract looming
Kakko and LaF drafted in back to back seasons
Panarin signed long term


All huge factors. Buch has his best season on a shortened schedule…
They weren’t going to commit big $$ to another wing long term based on the body of work.

To buchs credit, he continued to develop and make himself into a solid PPG guy over the last few seasons.

But not recognizing all these things that affect others is just lying to yourself
 
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Tob said:
its always been my musing that Buch was seen as soft by Dolan after the Wilson incident and trading Buch was one of the things to reform the team's softness.
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I think there’s truth to this and other locker room related whispers we’ve heard regarding him. You can’t convince me the car crash didn’t play a role too.
 
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Machinehead said:
This is just untrue. Kakko was immediately put into the top six and consistently ranked in the top six among our forwards in ice time since the trade.

Kakko has seen plenty of ice time. The narrative that he hasn't is just a combination of cope and line numbering.
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He got a good amount of run with Panarin/Strome immediately following the Buch trade but after that it was a steady dose of shitties in the top 6 RW slots pre trade deadline both Gallant years. How were they that high on Kakko to trade Buch for nothing and then be done with it forever 1/4 through the season. It’s like they’d never watched Kakko aimlessly skate in circles
 
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Machinehead said:
It absolutely would be an issue if you signed Buchnevich to his deal and immediately demoted him. Value is everything.

Goodrow makes peanuts and everyone hates his contract. Fox is the second highest paid player on the team and not a word. Value provided is everything.

As dumb as GM's can be, nobody is dumb enough to sign that contract and then immediately play the guy 15 minutes a game.
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It would f*** up the room too. You're making teammates resent the guys slotting above him when they dont produce.

The coach is also completely cucked by doing managements bidding. Huge Us vs. Them dynamic.

Lifes not an video game.
 
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Machinehead said:
This is just untrue. Kakko was immediately put into the top six and consistently ranked in the top six among our forwards in ice time since the trade.

Kakko has seen plenty of ice time. The narrative that he hasn't is just a combination of cope and line numbering.
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icetime this year is the lowest of his career. Cause or effect I’ll leave up to the viewer
 
bhamill said:
My plan is simple. It doesn’t matter what happened with your cap during the regular season. Your active playoff roster, the team you ice, cannot have a total cap hit, going by what their regular full season cap hits were, that totals greater than than the cap limit number for the regular season that just ended. If you have injured players, they don’t count. Only the players you are icing count. If you have an injured player comes back someone else has to come off the active roster to keep you under the cap number.
The cap for this regular season is 83.5 million. You can’t ice 2 goalies and 18 skaters in any playoff game whose cap hits for the regular season exceed 83.5 million. It’s actually a little generous, since most teams have 22-23 roster players that make for the cap.
If you try to put 20 players on the ice that go even a dollar above the cap, you forfeit the game.
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Most teams would be over the cap in that scenario, with or without LTIR, because of prorating.

This is how it currently works:

Salary Cap: 83.5 mil
Team total cap hit on day 1 of the season: 82.5 mil
Halfway through the season, the team has used 41.25 mil out of 83.5mil, leaving them 42.25 mil to spend in the 2nd half of the season.
They add a player with a 1.5 mil cap hit. Now their cap hit total is 84 mil. They spend 42 mil in the 2nd half of the season, for a total of 83.25 mil. They are under the cap.

With your idea, they wouldn't be able to ice that same team in the playoffs because the total cap hit is 84 mil. You are completely negating the purpose behind banking cap space.
 
80shockeywasbuns said:
He got a good amount of run with Panarin/Strome immediately following the Buch trade but after that it was a steady dose of shitties in the top 6 RW slots pre trade deadline both Gallant years. How were they that high on Kakko to trade Buch for nothing and then be done with it forever 1/4 through the season. It’s like they’d never watched Kakko aimlessly skate in circles
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Yeah that's shitty evaluation but I kind of get it. The whole hockey world said this guy was a star out of the box and everyone missed it. They were trying things.

They just shouldn't have left themselves with no insurance. Nobody just rots in the bottom six forever. If he was ever going to be that good, he would have taken Buchnevich's spot.

Buch is a very good player but the idea that Kakko had this logjam doesn't pass the smell test to me. It was Buch and ????

If anything, Lafreniere had impossible competition with two top 10 LW's since the year of the flood.
 
GAGLine said:
Most teams would be over the cap in that scenario, with or without LTIR, because of prorating.

This is how it currently works:

Salary Cap: 83.5 mil
Team total cap hit on day 1 of the season: 82.5 mil
Halfway through the season, the team has used 41.25 mil out of 83.5mil, leaving them 42.25 mil to spend in the 2nd half of the season.
They add a player with a 1.5 mil cap hit. Now their cap hit total is 84 mil. They spend 42 mil in the 2nd half of the season, for a total of 83.25 mil. They are under the cap.

With your idea, they wouldn't be able to ice that same team in the playoffs because the total cap hit is 84 mil. You are completely negating the purpose behind banking cap space.
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I agree which is why I proposed adding a reasonable buffer for the playoffs. 5% would be $4M+. That is reasonable. Teams icing a $90-100M roster is not in keeping with the spirit of the cap.
 
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Machinehead said:
Here's a hot take but the reason we don't stick with Kakko playing a lot and always trade for someone or play a plug is because Kakko sucks.
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How’d he score 40 last year?
Legit question about how that squares. I feel like this year has been a huge disappointment obviously
 
Machinehead said:
This is just untrue. Kakko was immediately put into the top six and consistently ranked in the top six among our forwards in ice time since the trade.

Kakko has seen plenty of ice time. The narrative that he hasn't is just a combination of cope and line numbering.
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And he had a good year last year with chytil.

Problem this year he came out flat and spent most of his time with Bonino and Zibs.

I’m really interested how he’ll look with Wennberg.
 
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