Blue Jays Discussion: 2024 Season - Complete without a great title in keeping with the performance
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LaP
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There's lot of copium in the evaluation of his play. He is a career 808 OPS hitter. Some people around here act like it's nothing. Springer is a career 818 OPS hitter. In the Bluejays starting lineup this year there was only 3 guys with an OPS of over 800 in career. Vlad, Springer and Turner. One of them was 39 and another 35. He has flaws in his game but he's a pretty solid hitter.
Tim Mayza goes from 'lowest of lows' with Blue Jays to 'highest of highs' with Yankees
In a season that, in his own words, brought him to the lowest of lows in his professional life, Tim Mayza went from being cut by the Toronto Blue Jays to joining the New York Yankees, an unlikely capper to this year of tumult.
During his time in the pitching lab, the Yankees dove into some of the inefficiencies of his mechanics. They juxtaposed his delivery from 2021 against where he was at that moment, broke down what was leading to the variances and created a regimen of drills to correct the issues.
“A lot of it was lower-half based and the timing of where my hips were and my foot plant,” Mayza says. “Being able to see it in the lab and pair it with here's what it looks like in a game, you just get to work with trial and error. Throw a pitch, see if that's what it was, a lot of back-and-forth with throwing pitches, looking at video, deep dives.”
The tools at the Yankees’ lab aren’t very different than those the Blue Jays have — both “provide what I feel like is similar information,” he says — but “the way it's communicated is a little different from the Jays side to the Yankees.”
Mayza’s velocity ticked up with Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, and he had far less variance during his month-and-half in New York, with a corresponding improvement in his results. In 18 innings across 15 games, his ERA was 4.00, allowing 18 hits and three walks with 12 strikeouts, making him a useful piece for a team with designs on winning it all.
“It's been exciting because obviously competing against Timmy over the last few years, he's been one of the core pieces to the Jays bullpen, he's had a lot of success,” says Yankees manager Aaron Boone. “When we got him, kind of taking a flyer on him when he got DFA’d, he worked a lot with our pitching group and in the lab trying to get some of that stuff back that's been a hallmark of his success. We saw some of that stuff tick up. When he got the opportunity and got called up with us, he did a nice job. He's become an important member down there.”
What lies ahead beyond the World Series is uncertain.
Mayza, 32, has one final year of arbitration eligibility remaining but platforming off a $3.59 million salary this year, he’s a candidate to be non-tendered. If he does re-enter the market again, he’ll do so under far better circumstances than he did in the summer, after the Blue Jays cut ties with him.
“It was tough. It was emotional for me. It was emotional for my family, leaving the franchise and the team that drafted me and was able to give me my first shot in the big-leagues and saw the development throughout,” Mayza says. “The Jays hold a special place for me and a special place for my family. We really became part of that city. I know this game's a business and I'm willing to be honest with myself in that I didn't pitch great. When you don't pitch well there's a chance that your job's at risk and they ultimately made the decision to move on.
“I was fortunate that I was able to latch on with the Yankees, make some adjustments and get back here and contribute in any way possible, getting back to the way I know how to pitch and help these guys out.”
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The Nemesis
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It's game 3 in the real world, but for the flashback World Series I'm on to posting Game 4 (though it is the 3rd game that I'm posting since game 2 has no audio)
We'll start with the video:
(Note: In spite of the identical thumbnail to the youtube video for the game 3 broadcast, this is actually game 4 this time. I listened to the beginning and they do explicitly announce that it is the fourth game in the series. I think after this one we go back to the other channel that hosts most of the vintage baseball broadcasts and generally seems to be a lot better at quality control on their uploads.)
And the box score can be found here
As for the background:
The game happened on October 7th, '56 and was the 3rd game in 3 days (the only break was between games 1 and 2)
The pitching matchup pits Yankees pitcher Tom Sturdivant against Carl Erskine for the Dodgers. Though not a hall of famer, Erskine is remembered for establishing a record for strikeouts in a world series game with 14 during the 1953 fall classic (That number would later be topped by Bob Gibson striking out 17) and for authoring a pair of no-hitters during his Dodgers career in the 1950s. (He only ever played for the Dodgers and his career almost entirely overlapped with the 50s, running for 10 seasons from 1949 to 1959) This is Erskine's first appearance in the series.
Sturdivant, meanwhile, pitched 2/3rds of an inning in game 2 and gave up a run on 2 hits as the Yankees were scrambling to find some way to keep the Dodgers offence in check. He began his career with 5 years in pinstripes, but injuries limited his overall effectiveness and he became a journeyman and he ended up suiting up for 6 other teams after leaving the Yankees, including the Red Sox and the then-new New York Mets (his sole season with the Mets was his final one in MLB and was the Mets' 3rd season since entering the league in 1962)
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We'll start with the video:
(Note: In spite of the identical thumbnail to the youtube video for the game 3 broadcast, this is actually game 4 this time. I listened to the beginning and they do explicitly announce that it is the fourth game in the series. I think after this one we go back to the other channel that hosts most of the vintage baseball broadcasts and generally seems to be a lot better at quality control on their uploads.)
And the box score can be found here
As for the background:
The game happened on October 7th, '56 and was the 3rd game in 3 days (the only break was between games 1 and 2)
The pitching matchup pits Yankees pitcher Tom Sturdivant against Carl Erskine for the Dodgers. Though not a hall of famer, Erskine is remembered for establishing a record for strikeouts in a world series game with 14 during the 1953 fall classic (That number would later be topped by Bob Gibson striking out 17) and for authoring a pair of no-hitters during his Dodgers career in the 1950s. (He only ever played for the Dodgers and his career almost entirely overlapped with the 50s, running for 10 seasons from 1949 to 1959) This is Erskine's first appearance in the series.
Sturdivant, meanwhile, pitched 2/3rds of an inning in game 2 and gave up a run on 2 hits as the Yankees were scrambling to find some way to keep the Dodgers offence in check. He began his career with 5 years in pinstripes, but injuries limited his overall effectiveness and he became a journeyman and he ended up suiting up for 6 other teams after leaving the Yankees, including the Red Sox and the then-new New York Mets (his sole season with the Mets was his final one in MLB and was the Mets' 3rd season since entering the league in 1962)
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Things are looking pretty good for Teo and KK (and notable Canadian Freddie Freeman)
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saska sault
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Helps having Soto, and Stanton looking like he is back in a Marlins jersey.
Suntouchable13
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So what does a Vladdy contract extension even look like? Would it have a bunch of opt outs, and other conditions? Or just a straight 10 year deal or however many years? I think I would prefer a 10 year deal. 330 M x 10? Devers re-signed with Boston for a similar deal.
What about Bo? Will there be a trade this winter? Or sign him together with Vladdy? I would like him to sign together with Vladdy but I don’t know how much would that cost. He did say he wants to win with Vlad. Before this past season, how much does a consistent .800 OPS close to .300 average SS cost? Jeez, it’s gonna be complicated. Look at what Witt Jr. signed for, how can Bo ask for more?
If they keep Bo going into next season, with no extension in place, are they ok with letting him walk to FA? Assuming there is a bounce back season by him and the team is good (meaning they won't be sellers). I don’t think he would sign mid season this close to free agency anyhow. Bottom line, I would like to keep Bo and Vlad together for many years to come.
What about Bo? Will there be a trade this winter? Or sign him together with Vladdy? I would like him to sign together with Vladdy but I don’t know how much would that cost. He did say he wants to win with Vlad. Before this past season, how much does a consistent .800 OPS close to .300 average SS cost? Jeez, it’s gonna be complicated. Look at what Witt Jr. signed for, how can Bo ask for more?
If they keep Bo going into next season, with no extension in place, are they ok with letting him walk to FA? Assuming there is a bounce back season by him and the team is good (meaning they won't be sellers). I don’t think he would sign mid season this close to free agency anyhow. Bottom line, I would like to keep Bo and Vlad together for many years to come.
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The Nemesis
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The current World Series could end tonight, but the historical one soldiers on with Game 5. And mild spoilers: THIS ONE IS A BIG DEAL.
Here's the broadcast:
Your pitching matchup or this game sees Dodgers game 1 starter Sal Maglie go against Yankee starter Don Larsen, who started game 2. The lineups themselves feature no other significant changes.
Here's your linked-to-prevent-spoilers box score
And fuller spoilers, there's a reason this one is worth a listen:
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EDIT:
I have also found a partial TV broadcast of the game (the first inning of the broadcast is missing and MLB considers it lost, but this video has put in the radio broadcast for the missing part until the TV picks up.)
It's going in spoiler tags because the name of the video spoils the nature of the game.
Here's the broadcast:
Your pitching matchup or this game sees Dodgers game 1 starter Sal Maglie go against Yankee starter Don Larsen, who started game 2. The lineups themselves feature no other significant changes.
Here's your linked-to-prevent-spoilers box score
And fuller spoilers, there's a reason this one is worth a listen:
Don Larsen throws the first and only perfect game in World Series history.
@Da Cool Rula, @MS, @HockeyThoughts , @the valiant effort, @td_ice, @PanniniClaus, @canucksfan, @Blitzkrug, @hockeywiz542
EDIT:
I have also found a partial TV broadcast of the game (the first inning of the broadcast is missing and MLB considers it lost, but this video has put in the radio broadcast for the missing part until the TV picks up.)
It's going in spoiler tags because the name of the video spoils the nature of the game.
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Suntouchable13
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If Cashman lets Boone go, if I am running the Jays I fire Schneider and hire Booney right away.
According to the "experts", the Blue Jays should sell Vlad Jr. to the Yankees immediately, 'cause they can't afford him. Apparently, a couple of "top 10" baseball prospects ought to do it.
