Blue Jays Discussion: 2024 Season - Complete without a great title in keeping with the performance

[tmlfan98]

not defending Martinez but whatever happened to Atkins barking to the media & fans about being 'collaborative', why is this ONE guy in the entire org taking the knife for its failures

It's possible that firings aren't done yet. On the pitching development side the firings that happened there didn't happen all at once. Guillermo might just be the first on the hitting side (hopefully).

 

[Leafblooded]

Why does Schneider generally escape criticism?

 

[Suntouchable13]

Why does Schneider generally escape criticism?

Well, to me, it goes far above him. Atkins needs to be fired first. I am not ok with Schneider getting fired and Atkins keeping his job.

 

[tmlfan98]

More coaching staff firings announced at the major league level.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1841105483173646465

The Jeff Ware firing in particular is interesting, because BNS and Arden Zwelling on their latest At The Letters pod had said they heard Pete Walker and Jeff Ware were involved in the search to find Cory Popham's replacement as the new minor league pitching co-ordinator. Guess not anymore in Ware's case.

These shills at Sportsnet probably know nothing when it comes to who is getting fired or not, likely because they get their access from people in the organization who have a bias against themselves being fired.

 

[MK78]

I could see them move Ross to a different role and then make Click the GM

What would that really achieve, given that he'd still be under the puppet strings of Shapiro? besides, he's been here for two full baseball seasons. His input either didn't matter or it didn't bring results.

I think it needs to be an outside person, and maybe a direction from ownership to Shapiro that he let the new GM be a little more autonomous.

 

[Dr.Funk]

Sad but funny

https://x.com/i/web/status/1841213461042287103

 

[Blitzkrug]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1841164861146829081

Of course.

 

[Suntouchable13]

This young super duper talented core of Baltimore still has not won a game in the playoffs. 0-4 so far, and the Jays are 0-6. Will be funny if the lose tomorrow too and be 0-5.

 

[horner]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1841164861146829081

Of course.

Then the Jay's will see it in the stands , if I was a ticket holder I would not renew .
I would give the the reason why.

 

[Nineteen67]

Then the Jay's will see it in the stands , if I was a ticket holder I would renew .
I would give the the reason why.

I thought I heard or read that with the new renovations a lot of the season tickets required a multi year commitment. If so, the expensive tickets are already sold.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Sad but funny

https://x.com/i/web/status/1841213461042287103

It's inevitable.....but at the same time you'd think SOME of the blame for this past season falls on the players themselves.

Can't all be on Shapiro and Atkins' shoulders. So of course they'll point to Bo being incredibly brittle all year and a total dud when he WASN'T injured. Or Varsho hitting around .200 despite bringing it defensively, or Romano seemingly dropping off the radar with whatever was keeping him out of the lineup.

You get better numbers from those bats and a more reliable bullpen and things look a bit rosier even with the exact same roster.

.....That said, firing the hitting coach was 100% warranted and I'm glad he's gone.

 

[tmlfan98]

Projected Arbitration Salaries For 2025

Matt Swartz has created a model to project salaries for arbitration eligible players, which we’ve been publishing at MLB Trade …

www.mlbtraderumors.com

Blue Jays (10)

Vladimir Guerrero Jr. (5.157): $29.6MM
Erik Swanson (5.059): $3.2MM
Jordan Romano (5.051): $7.75MM
Genesis Cabrera (5.011): $2.5MM
Dillon Tate (4.144): $1.9MM
Daulton Varsho (4.128): $7.7MM
Alejandro Kirk (4.047): $4.1MM
Alek Manoah (3.063): $2.4MM
Zach Pop (2.171): $1MM
Ernie Clement (2.168): $1.7MM

MLBTR arbitration projections are out. The 60M total amount this group projects to make added to the 135M the Jays have committed pre-arb means if opening day payroll is similar to last season the Jays should have around 55M to spend in the offseason.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Projected Arbitration Salaries For 2025

Matt Swartz has created a model to project salaries for arbitration eligible players, which we’ve been publishing at MLB Trade …

www.mlbtraderumors.com

MLBTR arbitration projections are out. The 60M total amount this group projects to make added to the 135M the Jays have committed pre-arb means if opening day payroll is similar to last season the Jays should have around 55M to spend in the offseason.

I am not 100% how this works, but they can just walk away from any of these arbitration eligible players above? I have a feeling they will shock us and walk away from Romano. I am also thinking they will walk away from Tate and Pop. Romano's money could be used on someone who is more of a sure thing. After the surgery, who knows how good he will be next year?

 

[Amadeus]

It's inevitable.....but at the same time you'd think SOME of the blame for this past season falls on the players themselves.

Can't all be on Shapiro and Atkins' shoulders. So of course they'll point to Bo being incredibly brittle all year and a total dud when he WASN'T injured. Or Varsho hitting around .200 despite bringing it defensively, or Romano seemingly dropping off the radar with whatever was keeping him out of the lineup.

You get better numbers from those bats and a more reliable bullpen and things look a bit rosier even with the exact same roster.

.....That said, firing the hitting coach was 100% warranted and I'm glad he's gone.

Would be better to poll if Ross Atkins will say objectively and subjectively in the PC or not.

 

[tmlfan98]

I am not 100% how this works, but they can just walk away from any of these arbitration eligible players above? I have a feeling they will shock us and walk away from Romano. I am also thinking they will walk away from Tate and Pop. Romano's money could be used on someone who is more of a sure thing. After the surgery, who knows how good he will be next year?

Yeah if they non-tender those 3 guys you said, that would add an extra 9.5M to the 55M number (I already assumed Pop will be non tendered when I said the arb group will make 60M).

Another potential complicating factor is if Vlad's hopefully imminent extension starts in 2025 or 2026. They could settle with Vlad for 2025 and then sign his extension which would start in 2026, or try to negotiate 2025 into the extension

I think if I'm remembering AAV rules correctly, that these 2 outcomes would make for 2 different AAVs that Vlad could have in 2025. When CBT payroll is calculated AAV numbers are what is used as opposed to salary.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Yeah if they non-tender those 3 guys you said, that would add an extra 9.5M to the 55M number (I already assumed Pop will be non tendered when I said the arb group will make 60M).

Another potential complicating factor is if Vlad's hopefully imminent extension starts in 2025 or 2026. They could settle with Vlad for 2025 and sign his extension starting in 2026 or try to negotiate 2025 into the extension

I think if I'm remembering AAV rules correctly, that these 2 outcomes would make for 2 different AAVs that Vlad could have in 2025. When CBT payroll is calculated AAV numbers are what is used as opposed to salary.

Could they also non-tender Romano, let's say, and negotiate a lower salary? Not sure if Romano will be into that, or what kind of offers will he get on the open market.

 

[tmlfan98]

Could they also non-tender Romano, let's say, and negotiate a lower salary? Not sure if Romano will be into that, or what kind of offers will he get on the open market.

Yeah this is expected to be what they try and do with Romano. It's unclear though what they will decide to do (tender vs non-tender) if Romano doesn't want to play ball with that idea. Because the moment they non-tender him he would be a free agent and can talk to the 29 other teams. Non-tender deadline is after the start of free agency.

 

[horner]

I thought I heard or read that with the new renovations a lot of the season tickets required a multi year commitment. If so, the expensive tickets are already sold.

TV viewership will be done for about 4 month this tear I had no interest in watching them.

 

[The Iceman]

Internal improvement = GM sucked this off season
Continuity is important = I am not going to fire myself

MLB team dead last in the division, farm system 25th, only top 100 prospects had TJ surgery and the other got popped for steroids

Highest payroll in team history

What does a GM need to do to get fired? The only way out is to overpay guys to come in FA. No trade assets. 3 guys in their mom's basement can choose FA to overpay.

AND worst of all our franchise legit star player is walking to free agency.

THIS MANAGEMENT GROUP COULD NOT HAVE BEEN WORSE

And it costs too much to go watch a game now.

 

[Nineteen67]

TV viewership will be done for about 4 month this tear I had no interest in watching them.

Maybe, but many fans watch because they like baseball. I listened on the radio about as much as I normally do.

I don’t watch as much as before because the Sportsnet broadcast is pretty weak and this year it was made worse with the renovation behind home plate, and they wore those horrible black uniforms, both are unappealing to the eye. Success on the field has nothing to do with my interest in the team, if it did I would stopped watching in 93.

 

[Suntouchable13]

How did the Jays back then were able to re-sign Halladay without letting him test FA? Vernon Wells too. And those teams never even sniffed the post season. When Halladay re-signed for the last time with us, I don’t recall how many years did he have before free agency? Must have been one or 2, not more.

 

[Dr Pepper]

How did the Jays back then were able to re-sign Halladay without letting him test FA? Vernon Wells too. And those teams never even sniffed the post season. When Halladay re-signed for the last time with us, I don’t recall how many years did he have before free agency? Must have been one or 2, not more.

And this was during JP's insistence that he'd never go beyond five years on any contract.

Which, oddly enough, seems to still be in place for the most part.

Internal improvement = GM sucked this off season
Continuity is important = I am not going to fire myself

MLB team dead last in the division, farm system 25th, only top 100 prospects had TJ surgery and the other got popped for steroids

Highest payroll in team history

What does a GM need to do to get fired? The only way out is to overpay guys to come in FA. No trade assets. 3 guys in their mom's basement can choose FA to overpay.

AND worst of all our franchise legit star player is walking to free agency.

THIS MANAGEMENT GROUP COULD NOT HAVE BEEN WORSE

And it costs too much to go watch a game now.

Being best-buds with the team president means he's not going anywhere. They're in lockstep and that isn't gonna change any time soon, no matter how poorly Atkins performs.

 

[Bjindaho]

And this was during JP's insistence that he'd never go beyond five years on any contract.

Which, oddly enough, seems to still be in place for the most part.



Being best-buds with the team president means he's not going anywhere. They're in lockstep and that isn't gonna change any time soon, no matter how poorly Atkins performs.

That was a Paul Godfrey policy.

Now, it is not a rule, it is a policy that most players aren't worth more than 5 years (Vlad and Bo should be exceptions).

 

[habamillions]

if Shapiro doesn’t get fired nothing changes. Everything stems from him. He sits on top pulling all the strings of his puppets. Too insecure to surround himself with respected baseball minds. Haven’t watched an inning since they pulled Berrios in the playoffs. That was it for me.

Goes back even before that for me when they pulled shoemaker in the playoffs before that when he retired every batter he faced but still got yanked

 

[Suntouchable13]

Who is Shapiro’s boss anyway? Will that person look at the standings and ask “WTF Mark?” Who is keeping him accountable?