Blue Jays Discussion: 2024 Season - Complete without a great title in keeping with the performance

[TheTotalPackage]

For me, the off-season will be premised on one thing:

Re-sign Vladdy long-term -- success
Go into next season with free agency looming -- complete and absolute failure

I sure as heck hope this management team does not eff this up. He's already remained unsigned for far too long.

 

[aingefan]

Jonaton Clase….love it.
Glad he’s making a good impression.

 

[saska sault]

For me, the off-season will be premised on one thing:

Re-sign Vladdy long-term -- success
Go into next season with free agency looming -- complete and absolute failure

I sure as heck hope this management team does not eff this up. He's already remained unsigned for far too long.

Agreed, you need Vlad signed before you head into free agency... Hard to make an actual plan for the future and attract players to surround Vlad when he isn't signed. The Bo saga can continue... unless he is willing to sign a decent deal with some opt outs maybe.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Agreed, you need Vlad signed before you head into free agency... Hard to make an actual plan for the future and attract players to surround Vlad when he isn't signed. The Bo saga can continue... unless he is willing to sign a decent deal with some opt outs maybe.

After Vlad signs, see how much Bo really wants to stay with him in T.O. he did say he wants to win with Vladdy. Let’s see.

 

[saska sault]

After Vlad signs, see how much Bo really wants to stay with him in T.O. he did say he wants to win with Vladdy. Let’s see.

I think Bo may know his best bet may be to stick in a comfortable spot and have a bounce back season... short term extension with opt outs make him flexible to cash in if he has a big year. I think if he's signed for one year you trade him.... can't walk him to free agency especially if the team is having a good season.

 

[Bjindaho]

I think Bo may know his best bet may be to stick in a comfortable spot and have a bounce back season... short term extension with opt outs make him flexible to cash in if he has a big year. I think if he's signed for one year you trade him.... can't walk him to free agency especially if the team is having a good season.

Bo is already signed for next year. Vlad is in his last arb year. Both are free agents after the year.

 

[saska sault]

Bo is already signed for next year. Vlad is in his last arb year. Both are free agents after the year.

Yes, I'm referring to if he's not extended and just left to walk to free agency, you need to trade him. This stage of having Vlad in his prime, a qualifying offer and compensation pick is not the return you want for Bo.

 

[Bjindaho]

Yes, I'm referring to if he's not extended and just left to walk to free agency, you need to trade him. This stage of having Vlad in his prime, a qualifying offer and compensation pick is not the return you want for Bo.

Under no conditions should Bo be on the team next year if he is not locked up long term. That would be idiotic (yet it isn't unlikely with the management group in Toronto)

 

[Suntouchable13]

The more I think about it, the more I think Vlad should play mostly 3rd next year. Cause I want him, Horwitz, and a Pete Alonso all in the lineup at the same time. They have abandoned the Horwitz at 2nd experiment. Unless there is a big bat at 3rd Jays can grab? I don’t know who that might be.

 

[Discoverer]

The more I think about it, the more I think Vlad should play mostly 3rd next year. Cause I want him, Horwitz, and a Pete Alonso all in the lineup at the same time. They have abandoned the Horwitz at 2nd experiment. Unless there is a big bat at 3rd Jays can grab? I don’t know who that might be.

3B would be just Bregman in terms of impact players, or I guess you could go for Adames if you think he or Bo can handle 3B.

There are definitely more good options available this offseason. Last year it was Ohtani, a Soto trade, or... Chapman? Bellinger? Then if you wanted a bat it was guys like Turner and Martinez and Soler.

Now, beyond Soto, there's Santander, Alonso, Walker, Adames, Bregman, Teoscar, Profar... so many good options to improve the team.

I think they need a full-time, middle of the order bat (obviously), plus at least a right-handed platoon bat to supplement the young lefties. O'Neill would be amazing as that second piece, but I could see him getting overpaid as a full-time player, and he's really not.

 

[Suntouchable13]

3B would be just Bregman in terms of impact players, or I guess you could go for Adames if you think he or Bo can handle 3B.

There are definitely more good options available this offseason. Last year it was Ohtani, a Soto trade, or... Chapman? Bellinger? Then if you wanted a bat it was guys like Turner and Martinez and Soler.

Now, beyond Soto, there's Santander, Alonso, Walker, Adames, Bregman, Teoscar, Profar... so many good options to improve the team.

I think they need a full-time, middle of the order bat (obviously), plus at least a right-handed platoon bat to supplement the young lefties. O'Neill would be amazing as that second piece, but I could see him getting overpaid as a full-time player, and he's really not.

Maybe George can speak to Bregman and try to recruit him. He would be a great addition.

 

[canucksfan]

3B would be just Bregman in terms of impact players, or I guess you could go for Adames if you think he or Bo can handle 3B.

There are definitely more good options available this offseason. Last year it was Ohtani, a Soto trade, or... Chapman? Bellinger? Then if you wanted a bat it was guys like Turner and Martinez and Soler.

Now, beyond Soto, there's Santander, Alonso, Walker, Adames, Bregman, Teoscar, Profar... so many good options to improve the team.

I think they need a full-time, middle of the order bat (obviously), plus at least a right-handed platoon bat to supplement the young lefties. O'Neill would be amazing as that second piece, but I could see him getting overpaid as a full-time player, and he's really not.

Personally, I would avoid Bregman. I think he’ll get too much and not sure how long is bat will hold up.

O’Neill would be great but he is injury prone and like you said likely gets overpaid.

Jays do have some nice trade pieces they could use as well.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Personally, I would avoid Bregman. I think he’ll get too much and not sure how long is bat will hold up.

O’Neill would be great but he is injury prone and like you said likely gets overpaid.

Jays do have some nice trade pieces they could use as well.

Bregman is having a down year for sure.

Finally Jays have some nice pieces they can use for trade. Seemed like last few years their pieces were not attractive to other teams.

 

[tmlfan98]

I think they need a full-time, middle of the order bat (obviously), plus at least a right-handed platoon bat to supplement the young lefties.

I count 2 everyday position player holes to fill not just 1, and both of these additions should be top/middle of the order bats. Not just 1.

C Kirk
1B Vlad or FA/Trade acquisition
2B Wagner platoon
3B FA/Trade acquisition or Vlad
SS Bichette
LF FA/Trade acquisition
CF Varsho
RF Springer
DH Horwitz platoon

Plus the team already has Clement+Jimenez both without options as 2 weak side platoon bats. There's also Orelvis and Schneider as 2 other RH bats with options. Not sure why game reps, or any of the offseason budget this year should be wasted by adding a 5th guy to this mix.

 

[habamillions]

Good news is jays locked into 5th pre lottery

 

[canucksfan]

Good news is jays locked into 5th pre lottery

What's the worst position the Jays could get?

 

[habamillions]

What's the worst position the Jays could get?

There are 6 draws so 11th. So guaranteed thats where the jays will draft

 

[Discoverer]

I count 2 everyday position player holes to fill not just 1, and both of these additions should be top/middle of the order bats. Not just 1.

C Kirk
1B Vlad or FA/Trade acquisition
2B Wagner platoon
3B FA/Trade acquisition or Vlad
SS Bichette
LF FA/Trade acquisition
CF Varsho
RF Springer
DH Horwitz platoon

Plus the team already has Clement+Jimenez both without options as 2 weak side platoon bats. There's also Orelvis and Schneider as 2 other RH bats with options. Not sure why game reps, or any of the offseason budget this year should be wasted by adding a 5th guy to this mix.

I'm comfortable with Clement as a starting 3B at this point, and I don't see anyone there that I'm confident would be an impact bat against lefties next year (maybe Orelvis, but really hard to know what to expect from him).

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

There are 6 draws so 11th. So guaranteed thats where the jays will draft

There's isn't a no-doubt 1st pick anyway, but it'd be nice to have that bonus pool money. We can cut a deal and get two more 1st round caliber players later on. Cleveland signed Bazzana for 1.62 million under slot in a similar scenario.

 

[trellaine201]

AJ Phuk! I wanted to Arisona to win. They fell apart in the bottom of 8.

 

[aingefan]

I'm comfortable with Clement as a starting 3B at this point, and I don't see anyone there that I'm confident would be an impact bat against lefties next year (maybe Orelvis, but really hard to know what to expect from him).

Yeah, I think there’s worse 3headed monsters than Horwitz-Clement-Vladdy covering 1B and 3B.
What it really means for me is you can just go get the best bat you can get, regardless of position. DH, OF, CI.
The OF is the tricky place I think.
Varsho, league average bay but plus plus D.
Springer….tough contract for below average corner offence, but still a plus defender in RF.
Loperfido, Clase and Barger have all handled AAA pretty well overall and have plenty of talent/upside but have some transitioning to do at this level. Roden is pushing too.
I wonder if they’ll mix n match the kids until someone claims a spot.
Bo is probably the most pivotal piece determining how good the offence will be.

 

[Discoverer]

Yeah, I think there’s worse 3headed monsters than Horwitz-Clement-Vladdy covering 1B and 3B.
What it really means for me is you can just go get the best bat you can get, regardless of position. DH, OF, CI.
The OF is the tricky place I think.
Varsho, league average bay but plus plus D.
Springer….tough contract for below average corner offence, but still a plus defender in RF.
Loperfido, Clase and Barger have all handled AAA pretty well overall and have plenty of talent/upside but have some transitioning to do at this level. Roden is pushing too.
I wonder if they’ll mix n match the kids until someone claims a spot.
Bo is probably the most pivotal piece determining how good the offence will be.

Springer complicates thing for me. Ideally they would find a taker for him (obviously they would need to cover a huge chunk of his salary), add an impact OF, and go with some combination of Lukes/Loperfido/Barger/Schneider/Clase/Roden as the 3-5 outfielders. But right now they have an expensive, struggling veteran taking PA away from the unproven guys who have mostly looked solid, but haven't shown enough to hand an impact role.

 

[aingefan]

Springer complicates thing for me. Ideally they would find a taker for him (obviously they would need to cover a huge chunk of his salary), add an impact OF, and go with some combination of Lukes/Loperfido/Barger/Schneider/Clase/Roden as the 3-5 outfielders. But right now they have an expensive, struggling veteran taking PA away from the unproven guys who have mostly looked solid, but haven't shown enough to hand an impact role.

Did you have any destinations in mind?
FO seems to love him, and he sounds like a big deal in the room and dugout.
I’ve imagined that he’d just start to fade down his PT for 25, out of the lead off spot. Maybe play 3/4.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Only 1 out of 8 wildcard series so far in the era of 3 wildcard teams has went the distance. Padres and Mets in 2022. I wonder if we will see more series going to 3 games this year.

 

[tmlfan98]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1840769080921317435

Atkins speaking alongside Shapiro unfortunately suggests that he will be back again next season.