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Blue Jays Discussion: 2024 Season - Complete without a great title in keeping with the performance

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This might be the best regular season game of all time.

Braves up 3-0 in the top of the 8th.
Mets score 6
Mets up 6-3 in the bottom of the 8th.
Braves score 4.
Braves up 7-6 in the top of the 9th.
Mets score 2 off a Lindor 2 run shot.
Mets up 8-7 in the bottom of the 9th.
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Ross Atkins needs to be fired. The guy has no playoff success to show for and is notoriously known for being a runner up for every free agency signing there is.

Oh and he's managed his team to an extremely sub par farm system, and not had a single hitter promote that he drafted and developed outside of Bo Bichette who was a Bryan Parker pick, not him.
 
Amadeus said:
Ross Atkins needs to be fired. The guy has no playoff success to show for and is notoriously known for being a runner up for every free agency signing there is.

Oh and he's managed his team to an extremely sub par farm system, and not had a single hitter promote that he drafted and developed outside of Bo Bichette who was a Bryan Parker pick, not him.
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I want him gone too, but he signed Ryu, Springer, and Gausman, all of whom were among the best free agents available at the time.
 
tmlfan98 said:
If this is their leadoff hitter plan for 2025, why didn't they test it ever and continue to spam washed Springer at leadoff? I don't think we ever saw Wagner there.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1840886247423951333
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Obviously, offseason for the Jays just started but

Wagner
Bo
Vladdy
Bat
Horwitz
Kirk
Springer
Clement
Varsho

Backup C
Jiminez
Loperfido
?????

I still would want another bat not including the one I have after Vladdy. Wouldn't surprise me if Orelvis is used at some point next season to hit lefties. He demolishes them.
 
tmlfan98 said:
This post implies that Guillermo wasn't also a big problem. I will half agree, that Mattingly is the biggest problem, not the real (implied only) problem.
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I'm torn on Martinez. He was here for a lot of really positive performances from the team and a lot of individual breakouts. I don't think he's a bad hitting coach, maybe just not the right one for the team anymore.

Mattingly's time with the Jays is all negatives. Get rid of them both and give more responsibility to Hague and Edwin.
 
Discoverer said:
I want him gone too, but he signed Ryu, Springer, and Gausman, all of whom were among the best free agents available at the time.
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I give him and his front office credit for identifying pitching for sure. Ryu was an overpayment and so was Springer. Gausman was a great signing and what's more impressive is letting Ray walk after a Cy Young but this front office has not drafted and developed enough talent,.especially hitters to compliment the free agency pieces they have brought in.

I have to judge Ross based on his entire tenure and I'm just left disappointed. He's not the guy to lead us anywhere.
 
tmlfan98 said:
If this is their leadoff hitter plan for 2025, why didn't they test it ever and continue to spam washed Springer at leadoff? I don't think we ever saw Wagner there.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1840886247423951333
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Seems like loyalty to a vet.
Wagner has a long resume of having good at bats and getting on bats in the minors so makes sense to me.
Maybe George can rejuvenate a lil lower in the lineup? Just go ripping.
 
Discoverer said:
I'm torn on Martinez. He was here for a lot of really positive performances from the team and a lot of individual breakouts. I don't think he's a bad hitting coach, maybe just not the right one for the team anymore.

Mattingly's time with the Jays is all negatives. Get rid of them both and give more responsibility to Hague and Edwin.
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Agreed. Now, I am nervous they will keep Mattingly as nothing has been said about him. Still very early though.

Would like them to keep Hague and Edwin and bring in someone else from outside the organization.
 
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Amadeus said:
Ross Atkins needs to be fired. The guy has no playoff success to show for and is notoriously known for being a runner up for every free agency signing there is.

Oh and he's managed his team to an extremely sub par farm system, and not had a single hitter promote that he drafted and developed outside of Bo Bichette who was a Bryan Parker pick, not him.
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if Shapiro doesn’t get fired nothing changes. Everything stems from him. He sits on top pulling all the strings of his puppets. Too insecure to surround himself with respected baseball minds. Haven’t watched an inning since they pulled Berrios in the playoffs. That was it for me.
 
torontosun.com

'Sick of the talk,' Blue Jays Kevin Gausman asks: What are we going to do now?

"We’ve got to start winning games. We’ve got to figure it out. We’ve got to do it quickly. We all need to get better."
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With all of that has come frustration, a feeling prevalent among veterans in the Blue Jays clubhouse who following Sunday’s finale here against the Miami Marlins will mercifully see the calamitous downturn end. Gausman wants much more though – from himself, his teammates and a front office under fire.

“I’m sick of the ‘talent’ talk,” Gausman said in an interview with the Toronto Sun this weekend, a cardboard packing box filling up beside his clubhouse locker. “We’re so talented, this and that. We’ve got to start winning games. We’ve got to figure it out. We’ve got to do it quickly. I’m only getting older. (Fellow starter Chris) Bassitt is only getting older. If we want it to happen with this group, it has to happen soon. So what are we going to do?”

Even in Gausman’s phrasing, that question has layers. How much of it is on the players? How much of it is on the front office? How soon can it be fixed or can it? And yes, what are they going to do?

Thoughtful and seasoned as he is, the 33-year-old has some ideas. Gausman is a driven veteran determined to be a winner before age catches up with his best years. There were many reasons he settled on Toronto, a city and fan base he’s embraced and a franchise he truly believed was promptly destined for bigger things.

Sure the money was massive, assuredly the big-ticket contract of his career. But before he signed with the Jays, Gausman was meticulous in the research leading to his decision to go long term, big cash with a team that he believed was on the cusp of sustained greatness.

So now what?

Like many of those who follow the team, Gausman will wait to see what general manager Ross Atkins and his baseball operations brigade can do in this critical off season.

“Time will tell,” Gausman said. “Obviously we’ll see what the front office does. Listen, we need some veteran players, no doubt about that."
 
Discoverer said:
That describes... like... the exact opposite of his major league career.
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Do you think Atkins is a GM in any other city? GM for 9 years. Montoya, Schneider ? There was no one with a better pedigree available? I will give him Mattingly but now most fans want him gone too.

Just feels like he hires yes man. Even if i am completely wrong the guy has won nothing in 20 years with both the Indians and Jays. Is that not enough of a reason?
 
The team as constructed has peaked already. Trying to desperately plug holes to maximize 2 more years of Gausman/Bassitt would be stupid. It just didn't work out. Time to rebuild.
 
I could see them move Ross to a different role and then make Click the GM
 
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