The Midnight Burrito
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We're not, because you're splitting hairs with Demidov/Michkov as if the player can do what he likes through sheer tyranny of will. There's too high of a likelihood that won't be the case.
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Well Michkov got himself drafted by the team he wanted by refusing to interview with other teams or outright telling them he wouldn't play for them and he would stay in Russia.
Demidov on the otherhand is playing in a lower league as punishment because he wont sign longer in the KHL because he wants to come to NA as soon as his contract is up (his agent said this publicly, not speculation).
That doesn't quite seem like splitting hairs.
Hockey Duckie
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Because I don't have a PHD in political science to go along with my law degree and decades work in professional sports contracts...
Seriously though, I dont know all the details and I doubt anyone does. Fedotov plays for Berlin which is owned by the Russian government and all their players are considered Russian military. Its a unique situation as far as I know.
The Midnight Burrito
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It is, because the point is that it "might not be up to him," so focusing on what he wants is tangential to my concern but evidently not yours.
For me they are different concerns.
1. Is he going to be a driving force in making it difficult to get him on the Ducks?
2. Is Russia going to be a driving force in making it difficult to get him on the Ducks?
The first one is the most important IMO because that is 100% based on the player we draft and we can control that. The second one is a global political subject that noone knows how it will pan out. Either you think drafting Russians with high draft picks is too risky or you dont because of that second point.
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The fact the Fedotov situation happened is all you need to know that the Russian gov't can do anything. Fedotov finished his KHL contract and signed a contract with Philly. Russia did not allow it to happen. The IIHF sanctioned the KHL for it.
Who cares if it's a unique situation b/c the whole Russian thing is a unique situation. The fact you don't think Russia has a thumb on their players in their system is frightening. The fact the IIHF sanctioned Russia and that doesn't make you take pause, is frightening. Fedotov willed himself to an NHL contract, but, apparently, Russian said, "Nope. Ain't gonna happen right now." Eventually, Russian players can make their way over to NA, but it's at the behest of the Russian gov't, which I did share the tweet about the Russian gov't wanting to keep their players longer.
There isn't a consensus #2 in the scouting community, which means there are many alternatives. We aren't pigeon-holed to select Demidov. I'd prefer to avoid things that are not in congruence with the IIHF if possible.
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Michkov wanted to come over to NA sooner then his father drowned in a puddle... When he came to America for the draft he was here with Russian handlers... There is also talk that Russia is going to force players to stay for a mandatory period of time (probably 4-5 years).
Why touch Russian players when there are other players on the same tier without that significant baggage?
Russian players will drop this draft like they always do.
Why touch Russian players when there are other players on the same tier without that significant baggage?
Russian players will drop this draft like they always do.
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Honestly I can see why Russia is making players stay there. Their clubs need money as well
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Emil Hemming is dropping back down into the mid-20s.
MyNHLdraft has him at #25
Tankathon has him at #26
Sporting News has him not in the first round
Lines has him at #25
From the most recent scouting report on him via Locked on NHL Prospects, Hemming has been playing limited minutes on the 4th line. Report is he has been improving his defense to be net neutral, which also means his Liiga team isn't trying to develop his offensive side. Apparently, he's a good dump & chase guy. Also, he's a June birth and should have a longer run to develop. Hopefully, he'll be on the WJC-18 Finnish roster.
MyNHLdraft has him at #25
Tankathon has him at #26
Sporting News has him not in the first round
Lines has him at #25
From the most recent scouting report on him via Locked on NHL Prospects, Hemming has been playing limited minutes on the 4th line. Report is he has been improving his defense to be net neutral, which also means his Liiga team isn't trying to develop his offensive side. Apparently, he's a good dump & chase guy. Also, he's a June birth and should have a longer run to develop. Hopefully, he'll be on the WJC-18 Finnish roster.
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I hope he is there with the Ducks 2nd round pick at #35 but I bet they pick one of Madden's Quebec guys such as Maxim Masse who tankathon has going #31
I watched less Liiga games than previous years but I saw Hemming 10+ times nonetheless and another 5 or so practices.
Hemming's play at Liiga this season was pretty pointless and eventually he returned to U20s. He would have maybe 5 times to defend in his owm zone and another 5 chances to try and create something from a dump since no one on the line could connect a pass tape to tape. Experience vs men, sure, but that's it.
Currently Hemming is the 2nd leading scorer for U20 club in playoffs where they reached the finals. A case of the team loading up U20s with some of the guys who already played games in Liiga. They have 4 guys who put up PPG+ this season or already last season.
There's YT video of his shifts vs Ilves in Liiga which was probably his GOTY. Shows what he could be, playing with that team's best playmaking center for most of that game. Rest of the season, after his 5th or so game, he spent on the 4th line playing 7-10 TOI. Not really his fault but it's a pro game and their youngstrer line was split up and he got the short end of that stick.
Other recent second wave finns include: Räty, Koivunen, Tuomaala, Heimosalmi, Hirvonen, Järventie, Kupari, Ylönen and Luostarinen. Some, if not most of them should play in the NHL at some point. So that does speak for Hemming as he is mostly on par with all of them, none were really breakthrough players, especially with size like Hemming has.
Hemming's play at Liiga this season was pretty pointless and eventually he returned to U20s. He would have maybe 5 times to defend in his owm zone and another 5 chances to try and create something from a dump since no one on the line could connect a pass tape to tape. Experience vs men, sure, but that's it.
Currently Hemming is the 2nd leading scorer for U20 club in playoffs where they reached the finals. A case of the team loading up U20s with some of the guys who already played games in Liiga. They have 4 guys who put up PPG+ this season or already last season.
There's YT video of his shifts vs Ilves in Liiga which was probably his GOTY. Shows what he could be, playing with that team's best playmaking center for most of that game. Rest of the season, after his 5th or so game, he spent on the 4th line playing 7-10 TOI. Not really his fault but it's a pro game and their youngstrer line was split up and he got the short end of that stick.
Other recent second wave finns include: Räty, Koivunen, Tuomaala, Heimosalmi, Hirvonen, Järventie, Kupari, Ylönen and Luostarinen. Some, if not most of them should play in the NHL at some point. So that does speak for Hemming as he is mostly on par with all of them, none were really breakthrough players, especially with size like Hemming has.
You think it would be too early to take him with EDM's pick in the mid to late 20s?
I know this is a meme because of 2022, but if you take out 2022 and 2017 when we took Comtois and Morand, they have only drafted 3 guys from the Q in the 2nd round during Madden's tenure.
Looking at trends, the biggest one is forsure the Ducks drafting OHL players in the 1st round. 9 of the 22 1st rounds during his time have been from the OHL.
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Saturday’s Oilers-Canucks game will have a big impact on our second 1st round pick. More likely than not, the winner of that game will win the division.
WhatTheDuck
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Really hope the Oil drop the division and bow out in the first couple rounds. This draft just isn't as loaded as last year, and with us having so many picks, this really seems like a year to try and move up to get the guys you really want. It would appear as though the pick has a miniscule chance of being as high as #21, but that's based on them finishing 10th in the league and having two teams below them make conference finals. So realistically looking at #23 overall at best, which should have us positioned to perhaps move up and grab that guy who falls into the late teens that we maybe had top 10-15.
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I want us to draft him. He could be anything and with our ability to find defender he will end up a beast.
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I guess Iginla is as good a bet for the top 5, because he is this year's late riser, and GMs love players who show huge steps forward in their draft year. Other than that I'd say it really is very open all-around.
If you were a GM drafting in the top 15 would you move back into the 20s knowing that the talent drop-off is so severe? I sure wouldn't unless I was getting an overpayment to do so.
WhatTheDuck
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Its easy to forget that consensus is only consensus and no two teams lists will look exactly the same. So at a point where we still see prospects available on a certain tier, another team may already be seeing a drop off.
But I was more suggesting we move up into the teens or earlier 20s, to get a player we had ranked top 15. Actually moving into the top 15 doesn't seem overly likely for sure.
I wonder if they have Connelly on their don’t draft list or not. Might be the most talented guy available with the oilers pick.
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