Prospect Info: 2024 NHL Entry Draft Discussion

[Half Clapper]

If we finish in the #4 - #7 range do you guys think the Yotes draft Anton Silayev?

His size alone prob has BA in love with this player.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

If we finish in the #4 - #7 range do you guys think the Yotes draft Anton Silayev?

His size alone prob has BA in love with this player.

If it weren't for the risk of putting too many Russian eggs into one basket, I think there's a good chance. I think there is concern over "what if" Simashev, But, and/or Silayev refuse to come over and play for us. Or if they somehow get "stuck" in the KHL. That would be devastating to the plan.

He still might take him.

 

[hbk]

If we finish in the #4 - #7 range do you guys think the Yotes draft Anton Silayev?

His size alone prob has BA in love with this player.

yes. we might take him at 2 if we win the lottery.

 

[lanky]

yes. we might take him at 2 if we win the lottery.

Many GMs would. He's #2 on McKenzie's list. Of all GMs in the league, Bill is the most likely one to be bullish on Silayev.

 

[Schemp]

The player I hope the Coyotes get.

 

[rt]

The player I hope the Coyotes get.

I like him a lot. For now I have him just a little ahead of Yakemchuk and just a little behind Silayev. Parekh is right there, too. But the margins in that group of four are so slim for me. They’re my 3, 4, 5, 6 rated players in the draft.

Part of me really wants to put Yakemchuk ahead of Levshunov. He’s so much more physically aggressive than Levshunov and has a much better pace to his game. Better motor. But Levshunov is a better skater (when he’s skating) and if he gets more consistency, man he’s gonna be good. He just needs fewer of those “controller came unplugged” moments and fewer of those “what in the world is he doing all the way over there?!?!?” moments. That said, he’s faster than Yakemchuk, bigger than Parekh, and more offensively gifted than Silayev.

These for are very close for me.

Funny thing is that I really like Buium and Dickinson, too. And if BA or Plandowski told me either was their top D, I wouldn’t flinch.

yes. we might take him at 2 if we win the lottery.

I could see it. I like Demidov more as I think Demidov has the best offensive upside in this draft class. But he plays for the wrong team. His club makes me nervous about signing timeline. So if Demidov gives off any red flags, I’ve got Silayev as my 3rd ranked prospect.

 

[rt]

If we finish in the #4 - #7 range do you guys think the Yotes draft Anton Silayev?

His size alone prob has BA in love with this player.

He not only has the size but he has the skating and the physicality. He’s a mean, punishing physical player and he’s enormous. Also, he’s a fantastic skater. He’s honestly a lot like Simashev but more offensively gifted and even bigger.

Nice thing is that Silayev plays RD despite being a left shot. He could theoretically pair with Simashev and the two might compliment eachother well.

 

[rt]

 

[lanky]

I'd like both Silayev and Pulkkinen in the 1st round please and thanks.

Simashev (6'6) - Silayev (6'7)
Pulkkinen (6'6) - Lamoureux (6'7)
Moser sitting on Duda's shoulders (12'2) - Kesselring (6'4)

 

[MIGs Dog]

I don't think we'll drop any lower than 5th - 4th is an outside chance - probably no higher than 7th. Absent lottery luck, that's where we'll draft.

 

[rt]

I don't think we'll drop any lower than 5th - 4th is an outside chance - probably no higher than 7th. Absent lottery luck, that's where we'll draft.

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My top 8

1. Celebrini
2. Demidov
3. Silayev
4. Levshunov
5. Yakemchuk
6. Parekh
7. Lindstrom
8. Buium

I'd like both Silayev and Pulkkinen in the 1st round please and thanks.

Simashev (6'6) - Silayev (6'7)
Pulkkinen (6'6) - Lamoureux (6'7)
Moser sitting on Duda's shoulders (12'2) - Kesselring (6'4)

Was thinking about Silayev+Pulkkinen just yesterday.

 

[Heldig]

Great write up on Sportsnet: TOP 40 DRAFT

 

[rt]

Great write up on Sportsnet: TOP 40 DRAFT

I love draft content. And I’ll always check out a ranking and read any blurbs. So I’m glad you shared this and I checked it out and enjoyed it.

Having said that, I remember vividly last June when Bukala was lampooning the Coyotes for “reaching” on Daniil But who would’ve “been available much later” because he projected a bottom of the line up, checking line center, who lacked offensive upside.

This is a man who used to work in the Panthers scouting department and has since switched to media scouting. And while I don’t doubt his expertise and his connections, I do doubt his judgment. Because rather than admit he’d not seen But play or paid enough attention to him, he made very bold and obviously verifiably false statements about him. I won’t forget that. He lost all credibility with me. Not because he attacked my favorite team’s new prospect but because he spoke so emphatically and so absolutely about him when it was plain as day he was just making stuff up.

It’s okay to have a bad opinion or a hot take. It’s not okay to be a professional media scout and lie about having scouted players you obviously haven’t scouted. Not that hard to be honest. Pronman and Peters have no trouble admitting when they haven’t had an enough views and are leaning heavily on opinions that are not their own. It’s understandable. But lying just isn’t professional or acceptable.

 

[Mangosteen]

This may shock you rt but we might disagree. But was a reach and would of been there in the late 20s.

 

[DustyDangler]

If it weren't for the risk of putting too many Russian eggs into one basket, I think there's a good chance. I think there is concern over "what if" Simashev, But, and/or Silayev refuse to come over and play for us. Or if they somehow get "stuck" in the KHL. That would be devastating to the plan.

He still might take him.

BA demonstrated by passing on Michkov that he wasn't about to draft someone he didn't think he could sign so I am going to trust he has vetted this concern to his satisfaction relative to But and Simashev. If they get stuck due to geopolitical concerns then. at that point, we likely have bigger concerns than hockey.

This may shock you rt but we might disagree. But was a reach and would of been there in the late 20s.

Whether or not he would have been there in the late 20s would not have been the operative question for the Coyotes. If this is the guy they wanted, the Coyotes question would've been, would he be available at 38? By most accounts, the Coyotes had the most eyes on this player. Is it a reach in what the general consensus was? Sounds like it. However, should they have drafted based on what everyone else thought or what they thought? If they go with what everyone else thinks then, no big need to have their own scouting department.

 

[rt]

This may shock you rt but we might disagree. But was a reach and would have been there in the late 20s.

I don’t think you read my post.

 

[Mangosteen]

I don’t think you read my post.

I did, most media was very vocal about the But pick. Just went back through predraft rankings and couldn't see But anywhere close to where we drafted him. Most media predraft rankings are done through crowd sourcing. Videos of highs and lows. Statistics and through conversations. Very seldomly I believe you will have a scout live watching 40 plus games of a certain player. Logistically it's impossible.

But DD has a great point. We have a scouting department and there must of been something they saw. Hopefully in 3 years if we do a redraft of 2023 it's goes the way of our scouts and not the of let's say Button.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

BA demonstrated by passing on Michkov that he wasn't about to draft someone he didn't think he could sign so I am going to trust he has vetted this concern to his satisfaction relative to But and Simashev.

I think BA was very smart strategically by drafting them both, because as teammates and good friends they are going to be more likely to want to make the jump together. They'll have a built-in support system with each other coming over to the NA game, and that makes a HUGE amount of difference to these kids, make no mistake.

That's my feeling of why Armstrong "reached" for But - something of a Simashev insurance policy, and a huge and skilled player as a bonus.

 

[lanky]

I never felt like But at 12 was a reach.
I continue to feel like Simashev at 6 was a reach, though I don't mind anymore.

I agree that getting them together is a risk mitigator and not a risk compounder.

 

[DustyDangler]

I think BA was very smart strategically by drafting them both, because as teammates and good friends they are going to be more likely to want to make the jump together. They'll have a built-in support system with each other coming over to the NA game, and that makes a HUGE amount of difference to these kids, make no mistake.

That's my feeling of why Armstrong "reached" for But - something of a Simashev insurance policy, and a huge and skilled player as a bonus.

100%...isolating it to 2 individual picks is not as strong as looking at it as the combination of the 2.

I never felt like But at 12 was a reach.
I continue to feel like Simashev at 6 was a reach, though I don't mind anymore.

I agree that getting them together is a risk mitigator and not a risk compounder.

Yes. This.

 

[hbk]

I did, most media was very vocal about the But pick. Just went back through predraft rankings and couldn't see But anywhere close to where we drafted him. Most media predraft rankings are done through crowd sourcing. Videos of highs and lows. Statistics and through conversations. Very seldomly I believe you will have a scout live watching 40 plus games of a certain player. Logistically it's impossible.

But DD has a great point. We have a scouting department and there must of been something they saw. Hopefully in 3 years if we do a redraft of 2023 it's goes the way of our scouts and not the of let's say Button.

Pronman has Simashev and But in his top 10. His thoughts are why I put both of them on my relatively uninformed list. I just didn't have the viewings (or the balls) to put them in my top 10. That being said when the Coyotes stated something before the draft about it was going to be a "big surprise" i suspected that we were taking both But and Simashev with our picks. I should have put money on it.

Doug McLean's account of the Wheeler selection was really interesting. Ownership hated the immediate hush and disbelief of everyone in attendance so much so that they fired the entire scouting staff. What McLean also points out that when you have a situation like this when someone veers so far off from consensus that usually the scouting staff knows best and in the case of Wheeler they obviously did. That was likely the most astute pick this organization ever made and we can only dream that we feel the same about the SImashev and But picks.

 

[rt]

I did…

Obviously not.

Nobody who has ever watched Daniil But play hockey would call him a safe, low upside, checking line center.

 

[Vinny Boombatz]

Yeah, all scourer for anything about the draft...but as soon as the pundit says something that is so entirely 'false' then I drop them and won't revisit...why should I bother reading their crap if they're going to just make up shit. I can make up shit, I'm looking for information, "lies" are not information.

He's no longer on the reading list.

 

[hbk]

Just so everyone knows both Simashev (19) and But (31) were talked about very highly in THN’s future Watch. Don’t look like reaches now.

AZ average draft position 17. Rank is 2nd. Which is the highest differential in the nhl. The value of loading up on picks is showing.

 

[rt]

Just so everyone knows both Simashev (19) and But (31) were talked about very highly in THN’s future Watch. Don’t look like reaches now.

AZ average draft position 17. Rank is 2nd. Which is the highest differential in the nhl. The value of loading up on picks is showing.

You been watching Guelph at all this year? I love that Jett Luchanko kid. Buzz saw. Just works so freaking hard. All out every shift.

@Mosby - you know this luchanko kid at all?

My list of favorite mighty mite pitbull little guys are Luchanko, Howe and Surin. Don’t think we usually draft those types. But if I was in charge I wouldn’t be able to help myself.