Yeah, at least their 2nd rounder will be pretty high. Maybe the Sharks can package it with their own at (hopefully) 33 and sneak into the mid-late 1st round to snag someone falling like Eiserman or Jiricek?
2024 NHL Draft: WE DID IT, CELEBRINI IS OURS!!!
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Jargon
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So the refrain this season is that this is a weak draft. Is it more that the upside isn't as good or are the prospects just bigger boom/bust gambles?
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IMO, the depth isn't that great.
Last year was a much deeper class and you can tell by how strong the talent was all through the first round. There were legit heavy hitters all the way until day 1 was over.
This class has a strong top half, but then it tapers out quickly.
There also isn't as much elite talent in most years.
Celebrini is a medium-high end #1 overall pick. He's an Eichel level talent, but he isn't rubbing shoulders with anyone. There's a gap between 1 and the rest of the pack. That pack though is extremely tight and loaded with intriguing players from #2 all the way into the early teens.
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The other item is that if you finish last and get the first pick it does not count toward 2 wins in five years rule.
That's a good point. I forgot that had they made the finals we would likely not get Musty. So not as easy as getting a 2nd instead of 1st this year.
How would the 2nd best this draft compare to Smith level? Eklund? Musty level?
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It's very hard to compare across classes like this, but Musty probably should have been picked in the 15-20 range last year, and this year that kind of pick would probably be closer to 6-15.
Eklund had a lot of similar things said about him as Catton is having said about him this year, with some people wanting to take him 2nd but the likely outcome being him falling to 7-12.
I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing Smith would be in that same debate - he's a smart, skilled, and creative player but not big or fast, so he'd be in the same Catton/Lindstrom/Demidov discussion where some think he should be 4th and others 1st in that group.
I think the best way to put it is this: if we draft Celebrini, he's immediately our best prospect of the past... 25 years. Probably our best prospect of all time.
If we draft Lindstrom or Demidov, they're immediately right there with Smith in my eyes, maybe a bit behind just by being a year younger but with just as much or more potential.
If we draft any of the top 6 D, they're likely our immediately best D prospect (better than Mukh) and depending on how Smith progresses could arguably be our best or second best prospect.
No matter what, our top pick this year should be at worst our 2nd best prospect and on par or better than Eklund's potential at any rate.
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Personally I feel winning the draft lottery isn't all about just getting Celebrini, it's about Sharks being on the spotlight again (it's been awhile and recently not in a good way) So that would make me happy as a fan to see reactions and commentary going on about Sharks getting the #1 pick.
Having that beautiful Sharks logo on the stage with a #1 on the clock. It's more than just the prospect, it's the whole vibe of the draft.
Having that beautiful Sharks logo on the stage with a #1 on the clock. It's more than just the prospect, it's the whole vibe of the draft.
I hadn’t really thought about this, but yes, it would be a moment to demarcate the end of one era and the beginning of the next.
With Labanc likely fighting for ice time on another team next year, and Couture being pretty iffy to suit up again, next year could see only Vlasic as the last connection to the last playoff team the Sharks iced. I guess GMMG could buy out Vlasic, but if I had to guess I suspect he’ll at least kick that can one more year down the road or even just ride it out.
Anyways, it would be a really big moment for a team that has had a really rough 5 years.
Jargon
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It’s real depressing how few times the Sharks win 1st on tankathon. I mean, it’s roughly a quarter of the time, obviously, but seeing it happen is depressing. My first “spin”, New Jersey won it. 
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As long as we win the one that counts, that's all I care about.It’s real depressing how few times the Sharks win 1st on tankathon. I mean, it’s roughly a quarter of the time, obviously, but seeing it happen is depressing. My first “spin”, New Jersey won it.
Winning the draft drastically helps the chance of winning the one that counts. 7 out of the last 9 championship teams had 1st overall picks on their winning roster.
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Easier to explain if you look at it as 75% chance for it to NOT be the sharks. 25% isn't that great when looked at it in this light.
Boston boy jokes aside, I really do think they are going to draft Eiserman if they don't win the lottery. Just seems like a combination of having upside and being safe, where they will have a role in the NHL no matter what, that this team will love.
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If they do that, they'll be going way off the board. Eiserman has fallen sharply on all the public lists and it also sounds like he's fallen on all the scouts' private lists based on what we can glean from insiders. If the logic is what you say "upside and being safe, with an NHL role no matter what that the team will love," then I think they go Lindstrom or Dickinson and both of those would be better than Eiserman, who lacks a complete game, size, or speed.
Dickinson and Lindstrom both have size, speed, and a reasonably well rounded game, and both are criticized for maybe not having enough upside to be selected 2-4 overall, but they still have high ceilings while being safe. They describe your draft thesis to a T.
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There's no clear 2nd OA, and after 13-15ish it drops off drastically. After 15 it's wide open until the 40s.
Other than Celebrini every prospect seems to have some questionable trait that makes people hesitant. Like I've been saying though, it could lead to us getting an elite prospect with the Pens pick due to the wide range of rankings.
"Sharks picking first overall for the first time in Franchise History; we'll be back with more after this..." -Draft commentator
*BACK FROM COMMERCIAL BREAK*
"So the Hawks are on the clock now, it'll be intriguing to see who they pick to go with Bedard..." Draft commentator
It'll be unprecedented, the first time ever the NHL decides to push to commercial instead of showing the number one pick. When asked Bettman said, "It's what was best for the ratings. Everyone knew Sharks would select Celebrini, no sense in waiting around for that when everyone could get to watch the HAWKS pick to see who they decide to team up with generational talent Connor Bedard..."
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I expected the 1st overall pick to be handed over to Chicago during the commercial break.
It's because of the thing LS posted about the sexual assault charges. HAWKS pick 1 & 2 OA...
It's not actually the sexual assault charges themselves, but because LS posted it.
Yup sharks get stripped of the 1st pick and all first round selections due to being caught purposely tanking and losing games.
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Terrible goaltending, poor coaching, and long injuries to their most important players (Hamilton, Hughes, Hischier), in a nutshell.
I perceive this draft as “weak” for two reasons: there is no one I would be thrilled to draft 2nd or 3rd overall, and the number of guys I’d the happy to draft in the first round as a whole is less then 20.
That is to say, after Celebrini (an above average but not spectacular 1st overall caliber prospect), there’s about five guys I’d be very happy to take around ~5th/6th in an average draft, another seven guys I’d be thrilled to have around ~8th overall in a normal draft, and then maybe than five more guys I’d even be interested in the first round. Talent drop off is really steep after my group of 13 guys and then really steep again around ~20th. That’s partially why I’m not really fussed about NJ’s pick being 29th vs 42nd, those two picks are basically equal in value.
Celebrini
Levshunov/Dickinson/Lindstrom/Catton/Demidov
Yakemchuk/Buium/Silayev/Parekh/Iginla/Helenius/Eiserman
Jiricek/Brandsegg-Nygaard/a few others
Then a ton of guys who feel like early 2nd rounders in an average draft. So basically the best places to be drafting where you’re going to get the most value relative to your draft position in this draft are (IMO) 1st, 11th, 18th, and in the early 2nd.
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