The only reason I can think of is you want to use the 2025 as a trading chip, so it makes sense to let Philly have this one.
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It's not that simple. We don't know whether next year's 2nd rounder has higher value or not, even if it's a later pick than #36. They might view it as a potential trade piece at TDL or draft next year.
However, if seemingly very projectable defensemen like Pulkkinen, Emery or Badinka aren't picked in round 1, I'd like them to keep this year's 2nd and use it for one of those guys.
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I don’t really think he wants to be a team that finishes near the bottom again. So my guess is we keep the pick. Unless they really think the draft is that much better next year.
I’m hoping that we make some trades on the draft floor for more capital. However, I think that’s unlikely. It seems like he wants to improve the team now and wants to utilize the current roster to do so. So likely roster player for roster player. Hence the new faces comment. Carolina does have a recent history of trading back in the draft later on to pick up extra capital and go heavy European based players.
I’m hoping that we make some trades on the draft floor for more capital. However, I think that’s unlikely. It seems like he wants to improve the team now and wants to utilize the current roster to do so. So likely roster player for roster player. Hence the new faces comment. Carolina does have a recent history of trading back in the draft later on to pick up extra capital and go heavy European based players.
I think that is the least likely possibility of all, somewhere after even "McConnell sells the team on June 15th and it is immediately moved to Houston, Ohio laws be damned" and "flipping something back to Philly to get the pick back."
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I’ve just, just, just barely scratched the surface of this. Really want to read a lot more and of course watch some clips/scouting reports on YouTube over the next couple of weeks… but man, as of now, it’d be difficult for me if we passed on Lindstrom if he’s there. I think he has an extremely high floor*, higher than most of the prospects in that area. I also think he has a very high ceiling. And maybe he’s not as likely to hit that ceiling as some of the other prospects, but I also think his is higher if he does hit it.
*The injuries are a concern about his floor I guess, but I’m just talking about his game.
*The injuries are a concern about his floor I guess, but I’m just talking about his game.
We probably keep the second round pick. Most drafts you'll have players available at pick 36 that are 10-20 on a team's draft list that you're very excited about. There's just a small chance that our favorites all get snagged, in that unlikely scenario we save it for next year.
Personally I'd be over the moon to get Jesse Pulkkinen. Huge LD but with actually star player upside (unlike Silayev). I never was able to figure out why the public scouts don't have him rated higher.
Personally I'd be over the moon to get Jesse Pulkkinen. Huge LD but with actually star player upside (unlike Silayev). I never was able to figure out why the public scouts don't have him rated higher.
Proposal: - Jimmy Snuggerud and 16OA from STL to move up at draft
Blues need a top D prospect. I'd love to see them move up enough to grab a Dickinson, Silayev, Levshunov, Buium or Yakemchuk which would probably require a top-8 or top-9 pick. I may be in the minority of Blues fans, but all of the Blues top prospects are forwards. I'd be willing to dangle...
Interesting offer, especially if Lindstrom goes in top-3.
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Too far down, IMO.Proposal: - Jimmy Snuggerud and 16OA from STL to move up at draft
Blues need a top D prospect. I'd love to see them move up enough to grab a Dickinson, Silayev, Levshunov, Buium or Yakemchuk which would probably require a top-8 or top-9 pick. I may be in the minority of Blues fans, but all of the Blues top prospects are forwards. I'd be willing to dangle...forums.hfboards.com
Interesting offer, especially if Lindstrom goes in top-3.
Just watched a couple of Sennecke videos. He definitely looks solid. Hands and speed seem very good for a guy his size. Looks a bit Bambi-ish but not nearly as much as Jiricek has. He does a good job of opening up space for his teammates.
My main takeaway was that, while he’s apparently improved this in the latter part of the season, his compete level is inconsistent and he is a bit mistake prone. Reminded me of KJ in that manner where he tries to do a bit too much. I’m sure that can be easily fixed, but based on the compete inconsistency alone, that puts him solidly below Lindstrom in my ranking.
I probably wouldn’t personally take him at 4, especially not with Lindstrom/Demidov/Buium on the board. I also think that Lindstrom would be a much better fit for the organization given the current roster/prospect pool if we’re taking a forward. That said, Sennecke seems like he’ll be a good pick for a team a few spots back of us.
As of this moment, my wants would be:
Demidov (although I’m starting to second guess this)
Lindstrom
Buium
That’s pretty much it at this point.
My main takeaway was that, while he’s apparently improved this in the latter part of the season, his compete level is inconsistent and he is a bit mistake prone. Reminded me of KJ in that manner where he tries to do a bit too much. I’m sure that can be easily fixed, but based on the compete inconsistency alone, that puts him solidly below Lindstrom in my ranking.
I probably wouldn’t personally take him at 4, especially not with Lindstrom/Demidov/Buium on the board. I also think that Lindstrom would be a much better fit for the organization given the current roster/prospect pool if we’re taking a forward. That said, Sennecke seems like he’ll be a good pick for a team a few spots back of us.
As of this moment, my wants would be:
Demidov (although I’m starting to second guess this)
Lindstrom
Buium
That’s pretty much it at this point.
the only way i'd do it is if it was something like:
- CBJ trades #4oa for snuggerud + 16oa + 48oa + their 2025 second
- CBJ then trades #16 + #36 + #48 to go back up
i'd rather just keep #4oa and be guaranteed to have one of lindstrom/sennecke/demidov on the board.
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I wouldn’t be opposed to taking a goalie in the 2nd rd. Carter George or Eemil Vinni preferably.
even if they plan on trading *a* second round pick, it makes more sense for it to be the 2024, no? the scenarios in which the jackets would be likely to move it are:
- in-season: if they're surprisingly competitive and looking to add at the deadline
- '25 offseason: if they're looking to bolster the roster for 25-26
but there's actually a way they can have their cake and eat it too, which is to keep the pick and then trade it for more picks.
going off of the standard draft pick value chart, the 36th overall pick is worth 540 points. teams also tend to value future picks lower than current picks (i recognize the irony that i am doing that above).
hypothetically, the jackets could trade 36oa + a later pick to a team like arizona that has spare second rounders, and walk away with a second round pick this year and next year. for example, trading 36 + 101 (636 points) to arizona for 49 (410 points) + the lowest of their four seconds next year (~300 points) would probably be doable if arizona really likes someone on the board at 36.
Personally I wouldn’t be thrilled to pick Pulkkinen at 36. His defensive game is not good by any means. He is also an OA. I’d rather go for a younger player to have more developmental runway with them.
I'd imagine that the restriction is either Columbus keeps it or Philly gets it, period. Not Columbus keeps it then oopsies, sorry Danny, we moved it for something else.
koteka
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The early word on the 2025 draft is that it has a few highly regarded centers (not like 2023, but better for centers than this year). If Waddell thinks we need another high end center and we miss our shot at Lindstrom, he might choose to tank. Chicago and the Ducks should be done tanking. So we have a decent shot at being 2nd worst team if we go for it.
My fear with Sennecke is he is Kaapo Kakko 2.0 and you will always wonder why he isn’t more productive than he is. Sennecke at 9, sure. Sennecke at 4? He is not my choice.
As for Bennett, the guy in the NHL who might have a Bennett like career that springs to mind is Cole Sillinger.
the exact condition is:
Columbus must decide after the 2024 first round is complete if they’re sending a 2024 2nd round pick or the 2025 2nd round pick to Philadelphia.
semantically, they're not choosing which one to keep, they're choosing which pick to transfer, at which point the pick they didn't transfer becomes theirs to do with what they see fit. once the first round is over, the jackets can decide it's the 2025 pick, then trade the 2024 pick.
i don't think kakko is a great comparison, since his defining traits as a prospect were his hockey IQ + work rate + strength, and the appeal he had as a prospect was that he moved the needle as a play-driver against men in europe.
sennecke's arc is completely different. he's a gangly late bloomer, but has NHL-plus scoring tools and elite hands. he's a human highlight reel, but the upshot is that he also has room to fill out his frame and is already one of the best forecheckers in the draft to boot.
kakko was pretty close to a finished product. sennecke is a blank canvas with an elite toolkit and tons of projection.
They're not going to tank. Absolutely zero chance. I'd give better odds of Waddell moving the 4OA than intentionally trying to tank another year. I think you're just too comfortable and happy that we're losers. Having something to complain about all the time is comforting, why would you give that up?
And that would be dirty pool. Don't overthink it. It goes to Philly or they use it.
koteka
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My goal would be to win the Cup, not just not suck. If he thinks he needs another top center, then tanking makes sense. I have no interest in repeating the Jackets history of occasional playoff appearances and 1st round playoff exits. I want deep Cup runs and a Cup. The path to the Cup might not be the same path as “let’s get better next year”. I will be miserable if our best season in the next 10 years is finishing 5th in the Metro and sneaking into the playoffs and winning 1 playoff round.
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AJ Spellacy would be a nice 3rd or 4th round pick for the Blue Jackets. Elite speed, physical/plays with an edge, potential to be a very good, versatile depth player (create a lot on the PK). Comparable to Josh Anderson.
He's from Westlake Ohio and played football for 2 years at St Ignatius, gaining 5 D1 offers before going to the O to play for Windsor & commit to hockey full time. Not that the combine matters much, but he was a beast in most of the events, true athletic freak.
He's from Westlake Ohio and played football for 2 years at St Ignatius, gaining 5 D1 offers before going to the O to play for Windsor & commit to hockey full time. Not that the combine matters much, but he was a beast in most of the events, true athletic freak.
I think he's going to be good defensively, and I actually think he might have more runway than anyone, despite the age. Just the trajectory of improvement for Pulkkinen suddenly in the last year is so vertical.
And the story scouts have told is that he didn't commit to hockey until a year ago now.
Hmm, I wonder if he's related to the Patrick Spellacy who played for OU while I was a a penalty box official there, 2014 or so. He was also from St. Ig, iirc. He was one of my favorite guys on the team because he actually got out of my freaking way so I could operate the door mechanism instead of basically making me ram him in the jock with it like the rest of the idiots on the team. He also somehow managed not to smell like rancid death like most of them. Funny what you remember.
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The Spellacy family is a big one with deep St Ignatius roots. I believe AJ and Patrick would be cousins. AJ's brother John played D1 football at East Carolina, while his sister Logan just graduated from Ohio State.
Cousins makes sense. Pat is around 30 now, so twelve years feels awfully broad to be siblings. Appreciate the info!
