HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[Habitant#1]

I am an ER physician and let me tell you that an lumbar herniated disc, with or without surgery, can cause problems to even do basic life stuff like walking and lying down.

A hockey player that is already sidelined at 18 and that misses almost half a season because of it is a very, very bad sign.

Possible career ending kind of problem for a hockey player. I'd not gamble it at #5, especially in a loaded draft with a lot of nice options.

Am also a doctor:
Sometimes scans pick up herniated disks that people didn't even know they had. There's a whole spectrum of severity from benign to catastrophic.

 

[Weber Fan]

If I had to bet money on it I would say the draft goes

1. SJS: Celebrini
2. CHI: Levshunov
3. ANA: Dickinson
4. CBJ: Lindstrom
5. MTL: Demidov

#same

 

[Team_Spirit]

First time in 22 years I start draft season with two whole mfers on the DND.

Sennecke and now Lindstrom.

Make it 3 Skip

 

[The Real Timo]

Which one of these dudes is like 6’7”? Let’s get him. Moar bigger baby!!!

 

[The Great Weal]

I remember when people told me that Demidov was closer to Celebrini than the rest of the pack. Good times.

 

[Michoulicious]

Am also a doctor:
Sometimes scans pick up herniated disks that people didn't even know they had. There's a whole spectrum of severity from benign to catastrophic.

Of course.

But the kid plays a very physical game in a very physical sport and has already been sidelined many months because of it.

This not a benign thing here, obviously. It must have been very symptomatic if it meant the kid had to miss playoffs and Canada U18 because of it in the most important year of his young career, his draft year.

Nothing is of course 100% and I wish him the best, but this is a significant injury that is a big red flag.

Many players needed to retire because of herniated discs.

I don't know a single doctor or physio in the world that would look at this kid's MRI and be able to say 100% it won't cause problem in the future, no matter what it looks like.

Like I said, there are many others very good players from #2-12 in this draft, and margins between them are razor thin. This is enough for me to say you don't gamble on that and you pick someone else. At #15-20? Sure, if he's by far the best talent.

He's no Bedard or McKenna.

Of course I wish him the best and hope he has a great, healthy career. Still would not risk it at #5 OA.

 

[CHwest]

What have I learned from this thread? Folks that are entrenched in their positions are in bunkers and will NOT MOVE. Good on them.

 

[morhilane]

So I guessed Lindstrom's injury correctly weeks ago. And yeah, that's not a good news regardless of how his agent and his docs are trying to spin it.

 

[dcyhabs]

Am also a doctor:
Sometimes scans pick up herniated disks that people didn't even know they had. There's a whole spectrum of severity from benign to catastrophic.

Backs are voodoo. Some people have visible degradation and no pain. Vice versa.

Physio and stretching work. Some surgeries for visible issues work. Many surgeries are shots in the dark. Expert surgeons will say “I don’t know what to do, but if I don’t operate they will see a worse doctor who will cripple them” and operate randomly.

And Therrien once said Subban needed to be a better person. They don't have to "make it up" for it to simply be wrong.

Well Therrien visibly wanted Subban to change his skin colour and sit down and shut up. There was no positive.

 

[Habs7631]

Expert surgeons will say “I don’t know what to do, but if I don’t operate they will see a worse doctor who will cripple them” and operate randomly.

Wait hold on what ???

 

[Doublechin]

Which one of these dudes is like 6’7”? Let’s get him. Moar bigger baby!!!

Silayev and if the Anaheim rumors are true, he might be a possibility

 

[McGees]

I too am a doctor.
An armchair draft doctor.
Prognosis?
Drink lots of water and Draft Lindstrom

 

[Skip Bayless]

Make it 3 Skip

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Gahd damn.

That's three whole mfers.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Of course.

But the kid plays a very physical game in a very physical sport and has already been sidelined many months because of it.

This not a benign thing here, obviously. It must have been very symptomatic if it meant the kid had to miss playoffs and Canada U18 because of it in the most important year of his young career, his draft year.

Nothing is of course 100% and I wish him the best, but this is a significant injury that is a big red flag.

Many players needed to retire because of herniated discs.

I don't know a single doctor or physio in the world that would look at this kid's MRI and be able to say 100% it won't cause problem in the future, no matter what it looks like.

Like I said, there are many others very good players from #2-12 in this draft, and margins between them are razor thin. This is enough for me to say you don't gamble on that and you pick someone else. At #15-20? Sure, if he's by far the best talent.

He's no Bedard or McKenna.

Of course I wish him the best and hope he has a great, healthy career. Still would not risk it at #5 OA.

There’s enough uncertainty with healthy draft picks!

With the back, everything’s a little uncertain.

They can say it can be treated non-surgically, like most can, but have it reoccur down the road.

 

[Andrei79]

Yeah, I'm dumbass that knows nothing. Only been dealing with those patients for 15 years. You know better for sure.

Don't worry, I've had posters here literally try to educate me on what I do for a living. It's the nature of the internet, I get a good chuckle out of it and try not to flash my credentials as it's not worth it. That said, so many MDs on these boards. I know of at least 5 on HF. Maybe that's the issue with HFhabs

 

[MasterMatt25]

Anaheim is leaning towards Silayev and Yakemchuk right?

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Anaheim is leaning towards Silayev and Yakemchuk right?

According to mccagg they're leaning towards sennecke and yakemchuk. Apparently Verbeek isn't too fond of Russian players lol

 

[WeThreeKings]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1801346288178352630

 

[Ozmodiar]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1801346288178352630

The Blackhawks have their own Dregs.

 

[jaffy27]

Make it 3 Skip

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Now there’s a playoff warrior if I’ve ever seen one……

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

I trust our medical staff to do all the due diligence possible on Lindstrom. If there's legit concern, they'll just go in a different direction. Plenty of good prospects at #5.

 

[Rapala]

If you have players in front of him on your list and you skip them to take him because you don’t want to pass on ‘’genes’’ it isn’t the thing to do.

Why even bring that up then it's a no brainer?
It's just one of many boxes that can have an impact on the total value of the pick.
My take on Iginla hasn't changed he's a very good fit for what we need going forward.
I'm not convinced Demidov or even Lindstrom check all the boxes Tij does including genes and or environmental influence.
I just think Iginla will end up being the best complete package which includes durability.

 

[Saundies]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1801346288178352630

Let these other teams worship false idols (prospects). Keep faith in the Demigod and his foretold coming will commence!

Praise be to Demigod!

And yeah that Lindstrom injury does scare me. He's still young but who knows.

 

[Rapala]

Interesting blog about herniated discs and hockey players. The Lumbar Disc Herniation & Hockey Athletes - Remi Sovran

The prognosis is rather discouraging, though who knows, perhaps orthopedics will get better over time.

One wrong jar and it doesn't have to be a violent one can cost a season. I can't see us touching that given our recent history with man games lost.
We still don't have a handle on Kirby Dach's durability despite what some may think.

 

[Genghis Keon]

I trust our medical staff to do all the due diligence possible on Lindstrom. If there's legit concern, they'll just go in a different direction. Plenty of good prospects at #5.

I agree. All teams have medical staffs, actually have access to all the medical reports, and are obviously more invested and have more riding on their picks than we do as fans. You have to assume if he's available at 5 and he's the pick, they don't think it's an issue or have done the calculus that their forecasted outcome of him is high enough above their next ranked player's forecasted outcome to be worth the risk, whatever they determine the risk to be. Now they might end up being wrong, but that wouldn't change the fact that they have medical expertise, access to the information, and a tonne riding on the success of the pick, so wouldn't select damaged goods on a whim.