HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[WeThreeKings]

Lindstrom is LH

Yes I flipped their handedness around for some reason haha

 

[Michoulicious]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1801624042559955400

This may have already been mentioned, this thread is hard to keep up with.

If the kid has problems at 18 with a herniated disc and plays a physical sport, it is not good. These are often lingering issues for people, even more for people with a very physical job.

DND for me if that is true.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

Don't forget that Timmins got a premium centerman in Fantilli last

They made the playoffs like 15 straight years. They added him and turned to garbage.

Haven’t the pens not made the playoffs two years in a row… being the season before acquiring karlsson ?

If the kid has problems at 18 with a herniated disc and plays a physical sport, it is not good. These are often lingering issues for people, even more for people with a very physical job.

DND for me if that is true.

Agreed. There’s enough talent to pick from without the current risk. Catton , Iginla or Sennecke will work

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

If the kid has problems at 18 with a herniated disc and plays a physical sport, it is not good. These are often lingering issues for people, even more for people with a very physical job.

DND for me if that is true.

As some have said, it depends where and the severity. Eichel's success with artificial disk replacement (ADR) surgery points to a possible optimistic scenario, but if the disc is in the lumbar area, therefore bearing more weight than towards the top, maybe ADR is still challenging in that area. He represents a massive roll of the dice, in the absence of more info.

 

[Michoulicious]

As some have said, it depends where and the severity. Eichel's success with artificial disk replacement (ADR) surgery points to a possible optimistic scenario, but if the disc is in the lumbar area, therefore bearing more weight than towards the top, maybe ADR is still challenging in that area. He represents a massive roll of the dice, in the absence of more info.

You don't draft a kid with a possible chronic back condition at #5 OA.

End of discussion for me. He's not a can't miss Bedard kind of talent that makes you want to gamble anyway.

Don't want Vilardi 2.0 .

We move on.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

You don't draft a kid with a possible chronic back condition at #5 OA.

End of discussion for me. He's not a can't miss Bedard kind of talent that makes you want to gamble anyway.

Don't want Vilardi 2.0 .

We move on.

I agree with that statement, if it's me picking. #5 should emphasize talent and a high degree of certainty of reaching a player's potential. But if Lindstrom falls because of this info, the more a GM knows, the better he can exploit the situation, while possibly trading up.

 

[The Last Red]

You don't draft a kid with a possible chronic back condition at #5 OA.

End of discussion for me. He's not a can't miss Bedard kind of talent that makes you want to gamble anyway.

Don't want Vilardi 2.0 .

We move on.

It can only become chronic if it's not treated. Worse case scenario is he has back surgery, as I did, and he comes back in a few months feeling brand new (also as I did). It's not the "catastrophic condition" that some here are making it out to be.

 

[Michoulicious]

It can only become chronic if it's not treated. Worse case scenario is he has back surgery, as I did, and he comes back in a few months feeling brand new (also as I did). It's not the "catastrophic condition" that some here are making it out to be.

Are you a professional hockey player that weight 215 lbs and that is whole game is based on being a physical power forward?

This is a major, major red flag.

 

[The Last Red]

Are you a professional hockey player that weight 215 lbs and that is whole game is based on being a physical power forward?

This is a major, major red flag.

I never said I was. But you can recover from a herniated disc and return to 100% . . . no matter what you do. That's the part some are overlooking.

 

[Michoulicious]

I never said I was. But you can recover from a herniated disc and return to 100% . . . no matter what you do. That's the part some are overlooking.

I am an ER physician and let me tell you that an lumbar herniated disc, with or without surgery, can cause problems to even do basic life stuff like walking and lying down.

A hockey player that is already sidelined at 18 and that misses almost half a season because of it is a very, very bad sign.

Possible career ending kind of problem for a hockey player. I'd not gamble it at #5, especially in a loaded draft with a lot of nice options.

 

[Skip Bayless]

First time in 22 years I start draft season with two whole mfers on the DND.

Sennecke and now Lindstrom.

 

[The Last Red]

I am an ER physician and let me tell you that an lumbar herniated disc, with or without surgery, can cause problems to even do basic life stuff like walking and lying down.

A hockey player that is already sidelined at 18 and that misses almost half a season because of it is a very, very bad sign.

Possible career ending kind of problem for a hockey player. I'd not gamble it at #5, especially in a loaded draft with a lot of nice options.

So you’re not a neurosurgeon. Noted.

 

[Michoulicious]

So you’re not a neurosurgeon. Duly noted.

So you’re not a neurosurgeon. Noted.

Yeah, I'm dumbass that knows nothing. Only been dealing with those patients for 15 years. You know better for sure.

 

[Habitant#1]

I am an ER physician and let me tell you that an lumbar herniated disc, with or without surgery, can cause problems to even do basic life stuff like walking and lying down.

A hockey player that is already sidelined at 18 and that misses almost half a season because of it is a very, very bad sign.

Possible career ending kind of problem for a hockey player. I'd not gamble it at #5, especially in a loaded draft with a lot of nice options.

Am also a doctor:
Sometimes scans pick up herniated disks that people didn't even know they had. There's a whole spectrum of severity from benign to catastrophic.

 

[Weber Fan]

If I had to bet money on it I would say the draft goes

1. SJS: Celebrini
2. CHI: Levshunov
3. ANA: Dickinson
4. CBJ: Lindstrom
5. MTL: Demidov

#same

 

[Team_Spirit]

First time in 22 years I start draft season with two whole mfers on the DND.

Sennecke and now Lindstrom.

Make it 3 Skip

 

[The Real Timo]

Which one of these dudes is like 6’7”? Let’s get him. Moar bigger baby!!!

 

[The Great Weal]

I remember when people told me that Demidov was closer to Celebrini than the rest of the pack. Good times.

 

[Michoulicious]

Am also a doctor:
Sometimes scans pick up herniated disks that people didn't even know they had. There's a whole spectrum of severity from benign to catastrophic.

Of course.

But the kid plays a very physical game in a very physical sport and has already been sidelined many months because of it.

This not a benign thing here, obviously. It must have been very symptomatic if it meant the kid had to miss playoffs and Canada U18 because of it in the most important year of his young career, his draft year.

Nothing is of course 100% and I wish him the best, but this is a significant injury that is a big red flag.

Many players needed to retire because of herniated discs.

I don't know a single doctor or physio in the world that would look at this kid's MRI and be able to say 100% it won't cause problem in the future, no matter what it looks like.

Like I said, there are many others very good players from #2-12 in this draft, and margins between them are razor thin. This is enough for me to say you don't gamble on that and you pick someone else. At #15-20? Sure, if he's by far the best talent.

He's no Bedard or McKenna.

Of course I wish him the best and hope he has a great, healthy career. Still would not risk it at #5 OA.

 

[CHwest]

What have I learned from this thread? Folks that are entrenched in their positions are in bunkers and will NOT MOVE. Good on them.

 

[morhilane]

So I guessed Lindstrom's injury correctly weeks ago. And yeah, that's not a good news regardless of how his agent and his docs are trying to spin it.

 

[dcyhabs]

Am also a doctor:
Sometimes scans pick up herniated disks that people didn't even know they had. There's a whole spectrum of severity from benign to catastrophic.

Backs are voodoo. Some people have visible degradation and no pain. Vice versa.

Physio and stretching work. Some surgeries for visible issues work. Many surgeries are shots in the dark. Expert surgeons will say “I don’t know what to do, but if I don’t operate they will see a worse doctor who will cripple them” and operate randomly.

And Therrien once said Subban needed to be a better person. They don't have to "make it up" for it to simply be wrong.

Well Therrien visibly wanted Subban to change his skin colour and sit down and shut up. There was no positive.

 

[Habs7631]

Expert surgeons will say “I don’t know what to do, but if I don’t operate they will see a worse doctor who will cripple them” and operate randomly.

Wait hold on what ???

 

[Doublechin]

Which one of these dudes is like 6’7”? Let’s get him. Moar bigger baby!!!

Silayev and if the Anaheim rumors are true, he might be a possibility

 

[McGees]

I too am a doctor.
An armchair draft doctor.
Prognosis?
Drink lots of water and Draft Lindstrom