HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[DramaticGloveSave]

Refresh the page and it comes back (tap the site forums.hfboards.com)….then hit return or go on the right of the keyboard and that should bring it back.

It’s gone

 

[jaffy27]

It’s gone

f***, happens to me all the time…..start typing, then it does this weird thing then gone, I hit the website at top of page, hit GO on my keypad, it reloads then go to bottom of page where replies are and voila….restored

 

[A Loyal Demidog]

It’s gone

Same. It's so annoying also when simply reading posts, and it just decides to randomly reload and bring me back to the top of the page.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I don’t know why Buium is not a lock for top 3. He checks all the boxes for a top pairing.

I personally take Dickinson before any of them but I have Buium ahead of Parekh and Yakemchuk for sure.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Easy money for the folks with Demidov going no2

https://x.com/i/web/status/1801094715355336821

 

[Garbageyuk]

I don’t have the energy lol but the abridged was posted. His production is overrated, Hutson is closer to that Makar/Hughes/Fox type. Buium is cerebral not a dynamic threat

His production is overrated? Lol he just posted the best season by a draft eligible D of all time in the NCAA. He more than doubled Makar’s D+1 production, and bested Quinn Hughes’ D+1 production by 17 points. You can have your opinion on the player, but that is just a dumb statement; there’s no way around it.

 

[Garbageyuk]

f*** this site, I keep writing epic posts and the site reloads randomly and it gets lost.

Anyways, Buium is overrated

Let me guess, you’re in the “forward at all costs camp” and on the Sennecke bandwagon? Therefore, all the D have to be “overrated”. Too many people here still listen to McCagg

 

[HuGort]

Attempting to read anything into the whole out to dinner thing is dare I say...
"Out to Lunch".

Eiserman starts to slide Habs could trade up from 26. Caufield slid also.

 

[NotProkofievian]

His production is overrated? Lol he just posted the best season by a draft eligible D of all time in the NCAA. He more than doubled Makar’s D+1 production, and bested Quinn Hughes’ D+1 production by 17 points. You can have your opinion on the player, but that is just a dumb statement; there’s no way around it.

If a player is on a good team, you can adjust their point totals downwards, all the way to 0. Only point totals on the worst team count. But in that case is the guy an individual player? Why's he getting so many points on a garbage team? The only conclusion can be that we shouldn't draft players who get points.

 

[Garbageyuk]

If a player is on a good team, you can adjust their point totals downwards, all the way to 0. Only point totals on the worst team count. But in that case is the guy an individual player? Why's he getting so many points on a garbage team? The only conclusion can be that we shouldn't draft players who get points.

Why even bother going to all that trouble thinking about things at all when we have the unimpeachable expertise of Grant McCagg to tell us who to draft? After all, he was a part-time unpaid scout for the team for a few months 16 years ago. Just don’t try to look up any of his old lists or rankings. He deletes them for…reasons

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

 

[McGees]

Buium has an 'IT' factor.
I don't even care about the points.
When you watch him play he makes magic happen.
I always ruled him out cause F picking more LD but I won't be mad at all if we pick him....
They just better have a trade or 2 lined up tho.

 

[SlafySZN]

Why even bother going to all that trouble thinking about things at all when we have the unimpeachable expertise of Grant McCagg to tell us who to draft? After all, he was a part-time unpaid scout for the team for a few months 16 years ago. Just don’t try to look up any of his old lists or rankings. He deletes them for…reasons

McCagg seems to live rent free in your head. Why are you even talking about him.

Why aren’t you explaining why you like Buium and why you don’t agree with the poster in question about him being overrated?

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Tell us more.

I’m actually serious, I’d like to hear some pushback to the Buium hype train. Seems he’s the new flavor of the week. Especially a lot of the mocks that are coming out have him ridiculously high.

He should have been flirting with a top 5 selection all year but all of the warts on Parekh and Levshunov are getting amplified now. Buium doesn't have a weakness other than perhaps being a little undersized and there is little for anyone to negatively focus on.

I have Dickinson, Silayev and Buium as the top three defenders.

I want Dickinson just to refer to his opponents as being on the receiving end of a Dick-down when he drops them with a hit or with a clapper lol.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

McCagg seems to live rent free in your head. Why are you even talking about him.

Why aren’t you explaining why you like Buium and why you don’t agree with the poster in question about him being overrated?

Why are you so obsessed with defending this incompetent slob? People are correct to question him as he is an arrogant, obtuse dinosaur who brings these reactions on himself.

Grant himself lashes out at everyone around him and seems to forget that he never really was a scout as he was just a writer who humped Gainey's leg and Bob gave him a local part time gig just to get him off of his leg. There is more to the story that I won't get in to but he basically has made his entire phony scouting persona through nepotism and networking without ever having had the necessary acumen to be a competent scout.

If he wasn't such an outrageous d*ck I wouldn't be saying half of this and he would receive a fraction of the criticism that he does from the public.

You are assigning authority to a dimwit who doesn't have the acumen or credentials to back it up.

Hopefully he finds a way to express more humility so that he can fade into the background with other benign phonies like Pronman, Wheeler, Boisvert etc.

 

[SlafySZN]

Why are you so obsessed with defending this incompetent slob? People are correct to question him as he is an arrogant, obtuse dinosaur who brings these reactions on himself.

Grant himself lashes out at everyone around him and seems to forget that he never really was a scout as he was just a writer who humped Gainey's leg and Bob gave him a local part time gig just to get him off of his leg. There is more to the story that I won't get in to but he basically has made his entire phony scouting persona through nepotism and networking without ever having had the necessary acumen to be a competent scout.

If he wasn't such an outrageous d*ck I wouldn't be saying half of this and he would receive a fraction of the criticism that he does from the public.

You are assigning authority to a dimwit who doesn't have the acumen or credentials to back it up.

Hopefully he finds a way to express more humility so that he can fade into the background with other benign phonies like Pronman, Wheeler, Boisvert etc.

Someone said they thought Buium was overrated and the poster tried to bring up McCagg who has nothing to do with this or that he must like Sennecke if he thinks Buium’s overrated. That make sense to you?

If you disagree with someone, bring actual arguments as to why he is not and why you like him as a player. You know, actually adding to a subject or ‘’debate’’.

 

[A Loyal Demidog]

I can see it… The Montreal Canadiens are proud to select…Beckett Sennecke.

And just like that we let pass Michkov and Demidov for Reinbacher and Sennecke

 

[WeThreeKings]

I agree with @DramaticGloveSave that Buium is getting overrated. If you have questions on Hutsons offense translating, you should have the same questions about Buiums as Buium creates offense in much the same way but Hutson does it with greater effectiveness and with a higher quality than Buium.

Buiums point totals are high and inflated by his team. He's still a great point producer but being mentioned like Makar, just no. Makar was always seen as dynamic with insane skating, his competition was just so poor that it caused hesitancy on whether it looked better than what it was due to quality of competition.

Buium is 6'0 so he's average height. His skating is not great same thing as Lane the edges and agility are great but the straight line speed isn't great. Buium isn't physical or intimidating. He's got 2nd pair offense and 2nd pair defense. He's a good player but he's a bit of a weird study. He doesn't play PP over Lane and can't play with Lane since they both do the same things. He doesn't play PK over Guhle or Xhekaj or Reinbacher or struble etc.

A top 5 pick on a guy who isn't going to be on pp1 or pk1, it's just an odd fit. Even Cam Robinson who loves the kid said on a podcast that he's likely not a pp1 guy and is more of your 40 pt defenseman in the NHL.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

Seeing they rarely draft who I want my top picks are

All the D
Eiserman
Helenius
Connelly

 

[Sam de Mtl]

Crazy to me that anyone would pick Karlson ahead of Pietrangelo. Winning the Cup is the whole point of this game and Pietrangelo did it twice to Karlson's zero. And it's not just numbers of cups. Karlsson had long playoff runs only twice in his career. Once in Ottawa, in his best season of his career, the only season I could see an argument for wanting Karlsson ahead of Pie. Then in his first season in San Jose, which was still a good team then.

In terms of making his team better, he arguably did it for most of his Ottawa years, although there was still not much playoff success for them.

Since then, San Jose had the same record before Karlsson to the year he came on board. Then the wagon fell off, which isn't his fault necessarily, but he didn't make them better either. His 100 point season, you can decide to view as you wish. To me, it was a joke of a season for a player who didn't take his team and responsibilities seriously. And San Jose was so bad this season, it would be hard to argue his 100 point season made his team any better. This year Pittsburgh was even worse than last year without him. For a guy you need to pay assets to get, he certainly doesn't improve your team much.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

I think more and more that it is between Lindstrom and Sennecke.

 

[Habs Icing]

Crazy to me that anyone would pick Karlson ahead of Pietrangelo. Winning the Cup is the whole point of this game and Pietrangelo did it twice to Karlson's zero. And it's not just numbers of cups. Karlsson had long playoff runs only twice in his career. Once in Ottawa, in his best season of his career, the only season I could see an argument for wanting Karlsson ahead of Pie. Then in his first season in San Jose, which was still a good team then.

In terms of making his team better, he arguably did it for most of his Ottawa years, although there was still not much playoff success for them.

Since then, San Jose had the same record before Karlsson to the year he came on board. Then the wagon fell off, which isn't his fault necessarily, but he didn't make them better either. His 100 point season, you can decide to view as you wish. To me, it was a joke of a season for a player who didn't take his team and responsibilities seriously. And San Jose was so bad this season, it would be hard to argue his 100 point season made his team any better. This year Pittsburgh was even worse than last year without him. For a guy you need to pay assets to get, he certainly doesn't improve your team much.

I agree with you I'd also pick Pietrangelo ahead of Karlsson, but I'm afraid I have to disagree with you about holding it against Karlsson for his lack of a Cup. Winning a Stanley Cup is a team effort. Marcel Dionne was a great player. I'd say he was as great as the Flower but he never won a cup because he was never on a great team. You switch teams on Lafleur and Dionne and Guy would never have won a cup.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

Although I agree with you I'd also pick Pietrangelo ahead of Karlsson, I'm afraid I have to disagree with you about holding it against Karlsson for his lack of a Cup. Winning a Stanley Cup is a team effort. Marcel Dionne was a great player. I'd say he was as great as the Flower but he never won a cup because he was never on a great team.

Yeah, which is why I followed up by showing that it is isn't just the lack of cup. It's the lack of playoff success in general and the lack of making his team better on a consistent basis.

All of these are indicators that his lack of cup is not just because his teams were lacking, but also because his play didn't improve his team's odds of winning as much as other elite players did.

 

[Jaynki]

I think more and more that it is between Lindstrom and Sennecke.

I have this odd feeling too that we will draft Sennecke and there will be a collective meltdown for a 3rd year in a row. (Thats a give tho whoever we draft)

 

[Habs Halifax]

Eiserman starts to slide Habs could trade up from 26. Caufield slid also.

I personally don't think Eiserman slips as far as Caufield. He's got size and Caufield didn't. I think Eiserman will get picked earlier than what the popular consensus shows on the net.

I'd be very happy if we are able to get both Iginla and Eiserman. There were my targets for a while now. I do hope Hughes can get another pick from 10-13.