le_sean
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He’s more Derick Brassard vanilla.
HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread
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1 average u18 on a terrible Finland team wont change much in their evaluations. Kid was playing exhibition games with the senior national team where he was one of their top players when he got told to report to the U18. He also played ton of hockey including hard playoffs games in Liiga... A kid like Dvorsky was playing 4th line minutes near the end of the season and barely played in the playoffs, u18 was his last chance to shine and improve his draft stock...Waiting for the tournament he's going to excel at. First it was the U18, then it was the World Championship because he's used to playing with pros. You got anything scheduled Helenius can show off at?
I know what this kid is about and capable of.
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Agreed that he shouldn't be evaluated based on short tournaments.
le_sean
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No but while a bunch of other players raised their stocks, his dropped. Whatever momentum he had was halted.
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Helenius is the 2nd best 100% center in the draft and there is no chance of getting the best, If the organization wants a center then there is really only one choice.
That being said Demidov, Lindstrom, Levshunov, are all ahead of him in BPA. Anyone else you can argue deep in the weeds about which is the next BPA.
That being said Demidov, Lindstrom, Levshunov, are all ahead of him in BPA. Anyone else you can argue deep in the weeds about which is the next BPA.
le_sean
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Yeah that worked out well for the team before, reaching specifically for a centre who happens to be from Finland while passing on the son of a former NHL legend, among other clearly better players.
basing a draft pick on a player drafted in the past who did work out and isn't relevant to the current player being talked isn't very sound unless you uncovered that all of Finland drinks "suck at hockey" water.
Also if you read my post I never said that they should draft Helenius.
Except Helenius wouldn’t be a reach since there’s no clear BPA after Celebrini-Demidov-Lev.
Also what happened with KK is irrelevant with today.
le_sean
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I’m not basing it on what happened in 2018. I’m just saying it parallels it.
Lots of scouts would disagree with that. He’s clearly a tier below Iginla, Lindstrom, Silayev.
Drafting for position isn't usually a great idea, I agree on that.
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Redux91
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Interesting seeing these rankings from June 30 , 2023 from Page 1
SlafySZN
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Quite unfair assessment. Most draft eligible have not even played world championship, you can t demote him because of this. In the U18 he did not have a great tournament but Finland was not a great team either. If you want the 5 game tournament against juniors to discard a 55 game season against pros, sure…Waiting for the tournament he's going to excel at. First it was the U18, then it was the World Championship because he's used to playing with pros. You got anything scheduled Helenius can show off at?
WeThreeKings
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He was just ribbing the poster about claims he made regarding Helenius.
But everyone has been asking questions about Helenius skill level all year long and his opportunities against his age group were fails in that department. That leaves questions as to realistically how much scoring can he do at the NHL level.
And it's the scouts who have cooled on him after his last viewings. The u18s in particular weren't good at all. You can say the Finnish team is weak sure, but there were only weak teams besides Canada and USA and when you get your lunch handed to you by Teddy Stiga, that doesn't help your stock.
Nothing stops him from still becoming a good player but his opportunities to take a top 10 spot were missed and I'd bet on Catton or Lindstrom at center , even if they have to move to wing over Helenius personally.
Luckily for me, someone who remains unconvinced of his offensive upside, his size and failure to take his opportunities have closed the door on being the Habs selection so it's nothing i have to be concerned about.
Well these lists are completely different from te to team, the consensus isn't worth a thing when we talking one team's specific list, for all we know, they might have him in the 4th tier of players
Habs Halifax
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I always look at ranking movement like this. It's a very interesting angle to see which players move up/down as the draft year moves along.
These kids are growing fast at this age. Draft is all about timing and then you wonder who are the ones who make more moves/development in D+1 and D+2. Got to try to find the guy who is improving at the right time. This is why I like Iggy so much. Yong and one of the hottest trending players. Kind of like Slaf and Reinbacher picks. We did this with KK but looking back, his draft year in Liiga was not that impressive. It was his U18's that made him a mover. Not enough of a strong resume in several areas.
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D’Amico has been saying for some time that there are no lingering health issues with Lindstrom and that he had resumed working out a while back so this gives some additional credence to the player’s recovery.
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I don't know what to make of that news.
It's good news in itself, but it's good news to other teams as well...
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
I'd say nothing to worry about because the teams ahead of us are likely to go defenseman if not Demidov.
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It is info thats right out of Lindstroms agent, so I'll take it with a grain of salt. Trust the medicals of the team first and the PR second.
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Lindstrom is just trying to scare off CBJ from picking him so that Habs can - Michkov style.
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