HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[MasterMatt25]

I would challenge Marco heavily on Lindstrom going top 5 - if he came back healthy and played the U18s, sure, but for now all we have is a small sample size and then some injuries.

It's possible he still does and personally if his medicals are good, then I would pull it at top 5 as well... but for teams that may have a bit more of an open book on what they're looking for, that might push him down out of the top 5.

Also, Iginla has 0 pts in 2 games against Prince George, the same team that an injured Catton had trouble producing against. Do we sound the bells about the concerns of Iginla being an unreliable playoff producer?

I dont think neither Iginla or Catton should have that title. Prince George is just stacked.
Spokane and Kelowna just aren't as strong teams overall

 

[Bacchus1]

It was a child that happened to.
That's not what you should be taking from this

Don't worry, none of us can imagine you in a competitive sports setting either.

Good lord! Here we go with some unnecessary and pointless victim blaming. I've seen grown men at the pro level get emotional after being victims of a racial slur. The irony that you use "thick skin" to try to make your point.

Are you black? Because I played with a black player and he heard some really nasty shit on the ice and had to be consoled. it was disgusting and having a “suck it up” attitude is just showing your privilege.

@MasterMatt25 , Wait, so what we are talking about, when talking about a 17 year old getting drafted is what he said to another kid when he was like 4-10 years old? Ok, if there is a child who hear some slanderous derogatory comment, then I can see why the kid needed to be consoled. But this begs the question: why is what another kid did when he was a CHILD relevant right now? Children who are pre-pubescent are notorious for mimicking other people. Holding someone accountable for what they said as a CHILD, and brandishing them with the consequences of what they said as a CHILD for the rest of their lives is some dystopian shit!

Even if he said it when he was 11-13 it would be borderline give me a break ... kids say stupid shit everyday largely out of ignorance and from copying other people. Most people period say stupid shit and are ignorant.

I thought this was being brought up a relevant reason not to draft someone as a young adult, so I assumed that this was said when the kid was like 14-17 years of age, where the young person should be responsible for their own actions.

I'm super disappointed in how people around her show a complete lack of tolerance for indiscretions other people make. I'm no Christian, but like Jesus said, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I can bet everyone of you have done something in your life that you either regret, are ashamed of as an adult, or find supremely cringeworthy with time. Even the Beastie Boys regret a whole album they did when they were 17-19 years oldish (License to Ill) and which they call cringeworthy, and if you listen to the lyrics you'll know why. Still great album, but I totally understand why they would be embarrassed as it it is juvenile. The legal system won't even publish the names of juvenile murders because until 18 they aren't viewed as fully responsible for their actions. And parents who bought guns for their child who later went out and shot up his school were themselves sentenced to prison for 15 years because they are very much responsible for their CHILD!

But that is the point, isn't it? People here are talking about a SUPER juvenile age where children learn things like language, justice, ethics, etc. Anyone who condemns a person for the rest of their life for what they did as a pre-pubescent CHILD, unless this child is demonstrating psychopathic of sociopathic tendencies, is someone who I would prefer not thinking they have the moral high ground in society, and let them know that they are no better than this puritanical fools who made Hester Prynn wear the Scarlet Letter, or teachers or adults who perform corporal punishment on children period. Because humans can learn and they can feel regret, and they can transform.

If you think a 17 year old shouldn't get drafted because of something they did when they were 7 years old (I have no clue what age he was), then you are a jerk.

And yes, I am a minority who has been slandered and subject to derogatory comments based on my ethnicity and other physical features. People in sports say stupid shit all the time. One of the biggest let downs in Zinedine Zidane's career is he let some jerks derogatory comments about his sister provoke him into a red card just before when Zidane could have won the cup for France. Now, we all hate rats on the ice, but rats are there to get people off their game. That is why when you hear stupid shit on the ice, you ignore it. You can report it to the ref ... or to you parents ... or to the league. But taking it to heart and acting on it just gives in to the bully. @Schooner Guy , if you think that is victim blaming, then well, maybe it is. Maybe people make themselves in to victims sometimes. The best way to deal with a bully is to laugh and walk away. Not to show them that they achieved what they wanted to achieve.

Oh, and I was a semi-pro athlete, just saying @Andrei79

@le_sean , you know that derogatory comments can be made to anyone, right? You know that 50% of our population is women, and women constantly get derogatory comments, right?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

@MasterMatt25 , Wait, so what we are talking about, when talking about a 17 year old getting drafted is what he said to another kid when he was like 4-10 years old? Ok, if there is a child who hear some slanderous derogatory comment, then I can see why the kid needed to be consoled. But this begs the question: why is what another kid did when he was a CHILD relevant right now? Children who are pre-pubescent are notorious for mimicking other people. Holding someone accountable for what they said as a CHILD, and brandishing them with the consequences of what they said as a CHILD for the rest of their lives is some dystopian shit!

Even if he said it when he was 11-13 it would be borderline give me a break ... kids say stupid shit everyday largely out of ignorance and from copying other people. Most people period say stupid shit and are ignorant.

I thought this was being brought up a relevant reason not to draft someone as a young adult, so I assumed that this was said when the kid was like 14-17 years of age, where the young person should be responsible for their own actions.

I'm super disappointed in how people around her show a complete lack of tolerance for indiscretions other people make. I'm no Christian, but like Jesus said, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I can bet everyone of you have done something in your life that you either regret, are ashamed of as an adult, or find supremely cringeworthy with time. Even the Beastie Boys regret a whole album they did when they were 17-19 years oldish (License to Ill) and which they call cringeworthy, and if you listen to the lyrics you'll know why. Still great album, but I totally understand why they would be embarrassed as it it is juvenile. The legal system won't even publish the names of juvenile murders because until 18 they aren't viewed as fully responsible for their actions. And parents who bought guns for their child who later went out and shot up his school were themselves sentenced to prison for 15 years because they are very much responsible for their CHILD!

But that is the point, isn't it? People here are talking about a SUPER juvenile age where children learn things like language, justice, ethics, etc. Anyone who condemns a person for the rest of their life for what they did as a pre-pubescent CHILD, unless this child is demonstrating psychopathic of sociopathic tendencies, is someone who I would prefer not thinking they have the moral high ground in society, and let them know that they are no better than this puritanical fools who made Hester Prynn wear the Scarlet Letter, or teachers or adults who perform corporal punishment on children period. Because humans can learn and they can feel regret, and they can transform.

If you think a 17 year old shouldn't get drafted because of something they did when they were 7 years old (I have no clue what age he was), then you are a jerk.

And yes, I am a minority who has been slandered and subject to derogatory comments based on my ethnicity and other physical features. People in sports say stupid shit all the time. One of the biggest let downs in Zinedine Zidane's career is he let some jerks derogatory comments about his sister provoke him into a red card just before when Zidane could have won the cup for France. Now, we all hate rats on the ice, but rats are there to get people off their game. That is why when you hear stupid shit on the ice, you ignore it. You can report it to the ref ... or to you parents ... or to the league. But taking it to heart and acting on it just gives in to the bully. @Schooner Guy , if you think that is victim blaming, then well, maybe it is. Maybe people make themselves in to victims sometimes. The best way to deal with a bully is to laugh and walk away. Not to show them that they achieved what they wanted to achieve.

Oh, and I was a semi-pro athlete, just saying @Andrei79

@le_sean , you know that derogatory comments can be made to anyone, right? You know that 50% of our population is women, and women constantly get derogatory comments, right?

Again, I don't think anyone's said he should be 'cancelled'. If a team wants to draft him, it's their choice. I think there might be backlash from their fans and the media but that's their decision.

He's certainly not owed a spot. If 32 teams decide they don't want this guy, too bad for him.

We make decisions on players all the time. Again, teams will probably pass on Eiserman based on the fact that he seems a little immature. Others will be passed on because they don't fit the type of player that teams want... sometimes they don't have 'heart' or go to the 'dirty spaces' or whatever...

Nobody wants an asshole. Nobody wants a guy who's going to come in and disrupt a culture you're trying to build. This guy has built himself a bad reputation. That's on him. Nobody else. If a team can live with that... cool. But it doesn't mean we have to.

Maybe he gets taken in the 5th round somewhere and redeems himself. Maybe he becomes a huge success somewhere. That'd be a nice story. All the best to him.

Based on what I read, I want zero to do with this guy.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

You guys are crazy conspiracy theorists.
The NHL doesn’t rig the lottery.
The reason Chicago wins the lottery is because they do black magic and sacrifice babies.

I woudn't be surprised at that. It is Chicago after all.

 

[Mrb1p]

Didn’t like reading that he allegedly got defensive when asked about his defensive play. If he’s satisfied with the level he’s currently playing at on that side of the puck, I’m not so sure he’ll be invested in turning it around.

Didn’t hear the interview myself, so take that with a grain of salt.

Interesting, do you know where it came from ?

I haven't seen too much of Buium but I don't think he's more skilled then Hutson but he's clearly bigger as he's likely got 3 inches and over 20 lbs on him while being 22 months younger. I like him a lot along with Levshunov and would have no problem if we ended up with either though I'm still holding out hope for Celebrini or Demidov at least until they announce the lottery winners.

To me Buium is someone you consider more at 7 OA or later if we somehow end up there. But it creates a problem with Hutson, clearly some D will have to be moved at some point but adding more to the mix is not my favorite idea but I say BPA whoever they think it is.

And he's a much better skater than Hutson. Hutson has more raw skill probably, there's a reason Hutsons so good at his size, thats not really the point.

@MasterMatt25 , Wait, so what we are talking about, when talking about a 17 year old getting drafted is what he said to another kid when he was like 4-10 years old? Ok, if there is a child who hear some slanderous derogatory comment, then I can see why the kid needed to be consoled. But this begs the question: why is what another kid did when he was a CHILD relevant right now? Children who are pre-pubescent are notorious for mimicking other people. Holding someone accountable for what they said as a CHILD, and brandishing them with the consequences of what they said as a CHILD for the rest of their lives is some dystopian shit!

Even if he said it when he was 11-13 it would be borderline give me a break ... kids say stupid shit everyday largely out of ignorance and from copying other people. Most people period say stupid shit and are ignorant.

I thought this was being brought up a relevant reason not to draft someone as a young adult, so I assumed that this was said when the kid was like 14-17 years of age, where the young person should be responsible for their own actions.

I'm super disappointed in how people around her show a complete lack of tolerance for indiscretions other people make. I'm no Christian, but like Jesus said, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I can bet everyone of you have done something in your life that you either regret, are ashamed of as an adult, or find supremely cringeworthy with time. Even the Beastie Boys regret a whole album they did when they were 17-19 years oldish (License to Ill) and which they call cringeworthy, and if you listen to the lyrics you'll know why. Still great album, but I totally understand why they would be embarrassed as it it is juvenile. The legal system won't even publish the names of juvenile murders because until 18 they aren't viewed as fully responsible for their actions. And parents who bought guns for their child who later went out and shot up his school were themselves sentenced to prison for 15 years because they are very much responsible for their CHILD!

But that is the point, isn't it? People here are talking about a SUPER juvenile age where children learn things like language, justice, ethics, etc. Anyone who condemns a person for the rest of their life for what they did as a pre-pubescent CHILD, unless this child is demonstrating psychopathic of sociopathic tendencies, is someone who I would prefer not thinking they have the moral high ground in society, and let them know that they are no better than this puritanical fools who made Hester Prynn wear the Scarlet Letter, or teachers or adults who perform corporal punishment on children period. Because humans can learn and they can feel regret, and they can transform.

If you think a 17 year old shouldn't get drafted because of something they did when they were 7 years old (I have no clue what age he was), then you are a jerk.

And yes, I am a minority who has been slandered and subject to derogatory comments based on my ethnicity and other physical features. People in sports say stupid shit all the time. One of the biggest let downs in Zinedine Zidane's career is he let some jerks derogatory comments about his sister provoke him into a red card just before when Zidane could have won the cup for France. Now, we all hate rats on the ice, but rats are there to get people off their game. That is why when you hear stupid shit on the ice, you ignore it. You can report it to the ref ... or to you parents ... or to the league. But taking it to heart and acting on it just gives in to the bully. @Schooner Guy , if you think that is victim blaming, then well, maybe it is. Maybe people make themselves in to victims sometimes. The best way to deal with a bully is to laugh and walk away. Not to show them that they achieved what they wanted to achieve.

Oh, and I was a semi-pro athlete, just saying @Andrei79

@le_sean , you know that derogatory comments can be made to anyone, right? You know that 50% of our population is women, and women constantly get derogatory comments, right?

 

[vokiel]

If Buium is determined to be BPA when we pick I don't think it will handcuff us in terms of being able to negotiate for a quality forward. if we select him.
I'm curious to see how everything shakes out in the final rankings leading up to the draft.

Celebrini may be drafted into the NHL immediately Buium not until after next season.
He's not the same animal as Makar I'll agree but I think he becomes the most talented all round defender in our group.
Do you not think Buium is a step above Jake Sanderson another example of a player who spent two years in the NCAA before making the jump.

Yes, but for each individual the progression is different. Specially when they don't play that many games in a year, I think it's important for Buium to repeat and then probably solidify with another year away from the pros.

Show that he didn't get it easy because he was young.

 

[Gravity]

Still holding out hope for Demidov

 

[Bacchus1]

Again, I don't think anyone's said he should be 'cancelled'. If a team wants to draft him, it's their choice. I think there might be backlash from their fans and the media but that's their decision.

He's certainly not owed a spot. If 32 teams decide they don't want this guy, too bad for him.

We make decisions on players all the time. Again, teams will probably pass on Eiserman based on the fact that he seems a little immature. Others will be passed on because they don't fit the type of player that teams want... sometimes they don't have 'heart' or go to the 'dirty spaces' or whatever...

Nobody wants an asshole. Nobody wants a guy who's going to come in and disrupt a culture you're trying to build. This guy has built himself a bad reputation. That's on him. Nobody else. If a team can live with that... cool. But it doesn't mean we have to.

Maybe he gets taken in the 5th round somewhere and redeems himself. Maybe he becomes a huge success somewhere. That'd be a nice story. All the best to him.

Based on what I read, I want zero to do with this guy.

Why don't you want anything to do with the guy. I hear that he runs a diversity hockey program and is one of the top USA born draft eligible players. What is it that he has done that makes you want "zero to do with" that guy?

 

[Kent Nilsson]

Ranking/wishlist for habs pick:

1. Macklin
2. Levshunov
3. Iginla
4. Buium
5. Demidov
6. Helenius
7. Dickinson
8. Sennecke
9. Silayev
10. Lindstrom

I dont expect Catton or Eiserman from the group that passed on Wright and Michkov.

 

[Bacchus1]

Interesting, do you know where it came from ?


And he's a much better skater than Hutson. Hutson has more raw skill probably, there's a reason Hutsons so good at his size, thats not really the point.

 

[McGees]

Why don't you want anything to do with the guy. I hear that he runs a diversity hockey program and is one of the top USA born draft eligible players. What is it that he has done that makes you want "zero to do with" that guy?

You should be a criminal defence attorney for your desire to fight for clear Dbags lol.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Why don't you want anything to do with the guy. I hear that he runs a diversity hockey program and is one of the top USA born draft eligible players. What is it that he has done that makes you want "zero to do with" that guy?

If you’re going to ask the question, at least read the posts. WTK laid out his history a few pages ago.

That is reason enough not to draft him.

Again, if some other team wants to take him, cool. I hope we don’t.

 

[MeanMugging91]

How does everyone feel about Lindstrom being side lined for the u18's and how little he's played in the back half? Are people still willing to take him at 5th like before? Guess it'll come down to what teams medical staff thinks of his injury.

I'm so conflicted now was really hoping either him or Demidov drop to us but now I just don't know.

 

[Bacchus1]

You should be a criminal defence attorney for your desire to fight for clear Dbags lol.

What age was the child? If you call an adult a drag for what they did when they were 7, then sorry, yer the douche! And yo, don't call me to defend you unless someone is charging you with something you did when you were a child 10 years+ after the fact.

 

[McGees]

What age was the child? If you call an adult a drag for what they did when they were 7, then sorry, yer the douche! And yo, don't call me to defend you unless someone is charging you with something you did when you were a child 10 years+ after the fact.

He wasn't 7 and it wasn't an isolated incident, it is a long behaviour pattern.
You should look into it if you want to fight for him.

 

[Kent Nilsson]

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Imagine quoting Einstein to call yourself a great mind.

 

[Mrb1p]

Why don't you want anything to do with the guy. I hear that he runs a diversity hockey program and is one of the top USA born draft eligible players. What is it that he has done that makes you want "zero to do with" that guy?

Took a dump in a teammates bag
Took pictures of a nazi symbol in toys
Was kicked off a team for bullying another teammate
Is bad defensively and found ways to be a minus in the USHL.

Why are you going to war for this kid?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

How does everyone feel about Lindstrom being side lined for the u18's and how little he's played in the back half? Are people still willing to take him at 5th like before? Guess it'll come down to what teams medical staff thinks of his injury.

I'm so conflicted now was really hoping either him or Demidov drop to us but now I just don't know.

The back scares me. And it’s amplified by the fact that we already have Kirby Dach who I now consider a real injury risk.

I love the idea of adding Lidstrom. Big power forward…. He’d be awesome. But if he’s damaged goods it would absolutely suck and back injuries are the worst.

They better do their homework if they’re going to take him.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

Well, I wouldn't take Eiserman, but still consider Boisvert a clown of the worst kind.

Between snake and Flynn we get our fair share of hot garbage takes

 

[Bacchus1]

He wasn't 7 and it wasn't an isolated incident, it is a long behaviour pattern.
You should look into it if you want to fight for him.

I'm replying to what I am reading here. If anyone wants to specify, they can. But one poster called him a child, which I view as prepubescent.

I've heard of 2, two, <3 incidents: derogatory comment and lego swastika. What others?

I have no dog in drafting this guy. But I do hate when people gang up on a young guy with intolerance and try to cancel him. That sucks.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

I have read the thread, and I don't remember the post, but I do remember that some said that he took a picture of a lego swastika that his friend made and put it on socials. Apparently, realizing how dumb it was (or how it could be misconstrued without comments), he took it down. If that it the reason you don't want to draft him, that is fine.

In an interview, I would definitely ask him about it. Prince Harry wore a Nazi costume for Halloween and lived to regret it. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau wore blackface, and regretted it. Plenty of public figures objectified and used women, and lived to regret it (Shaq just wrote that it was one of his regrets).Only goes to show that even people, particularly males, who are younger than 21, do and say stupid things. Apparently Cole Caufield showed scrabble tiles that had a homosexual slander. Do I think he should be judged for that in perpetuity, no?

I don't care if this kid is drafted, but I sure hate hypocrisy of people condemning a kid for doing stupid stuff that plenty of other people do, and like plenty of other people, show remorse and grow.

I can imagine that if the Habs drafter him, a bunch of whiners would come out and complain, even if they were not in the interviews and had an intimate sense of who the young man is. Just like for Logan Mailloux. It is cancel culture, as it attempts to shame anyone who disagrees with accepting the young persons regret and progression. It is insidious.

It is like we now live in an anti-resilient culture now, where we cannot accept mistakes failures as being anything but catastrophic.

But if he comes in and says, "we'll I am pro Hitler, and Nazis are cool, and I wish the Holocaust was successful", then I am onboard, and I wouldn't touch him with a 10-foot pole. But he is the best person for our pick, and in his interviews, and in his file, it demonstrates that the kid has become a good kid, then I would grab him (unless I feared that an idiot fan base would tar and feather me on socials).

The problem with showing remorse… is it’s understandable when you make a mistake. This kid had had a reputation spanning years of being like this. There is no remorse. Think Deangelo… doubling down on his bs racist remarks. Some people just aren’t good people. Period

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I'm replying to what I am reading here. If anyone wants to specify, they can. But one poster called him a child, which I view as prepubescent.

I've heard of 2, two, <3 incidents: derogatory comment and lego swastika. What others?

Stop asking questions on things that have been provided.

It’s not just one or two incidents.

If you feel that he deserves a shot, that’s cool. I respect the opinion. But stop asking for things that have been given.

 

[Big Empty]

@WeThreeKings what is your top 5 and who do you think are realistic targets for the Habs at 5?

 

[Bacchus1]

Took a dump in a teammates bag
Took pictures of a nazi symbol in toys
Was kicked off a team for bullying another teammate
Is bad defensively and found ways to be a minus in the USHL.

Why are you going to war for this kid?

I'm going to war against intolerance. Someone wrote about justifying not drafting him because of some slur he used on the ice. I don't think a slur as a child is enough, and I think that kids nowadays are too lacking in resilience. Best way to deal with a bully is to ignore them.

But, if he did all that stuff above, and most of this as was after puberty, then yeah, character issues. I didn't know about dumping in a teammate's bad, or bullying a teammate. (At the same time, Byfuglien threw Kane's clothing into the shower while they were out playing, and Kane was furious. I view this as bullying and disrespectful on a teammates personal belongings. Yet Byfuglien is a legend since Kane is seen as deserving of it.)

I don't know if we know enough details to judge the young man. And unless someone writes it here and I happen to read it, I don't care.

Again, I don't care if the kid is drafted, I just don't like pilling on, which is a form of bullying IMO.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Took a dump in a teammates bag
Took pictures of a nazi symbol in toys
Was kicked off a team for bullying another teammate
Is bad defensively and found ways to be a minus in the USHL.

Why are you going to war for this kid?

2nd one I can write off as just being a dumb and edgy teenager like pretty much every teenager ever. First one is actually the biggest red flag, at no point in most people's lives would they have considered that a normal thing to do lmao