HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[HuGort]

Never heard this story before. But it's another case of the dangers of drafting based on need.

At the 2006 draft table, Andre Savard was vehemently arguing to take Giroux when he was available to us at 20th overall. Another person high up (not Timmins) was vehemently arguing for David Fischer. Gainey steped in and said, if you guys can't decide, take the big defenseman over the small forward. We have enough small forwards and not enough dmen.

That and the Gomez trade is why Montreal never won a cup under Gainey

 

[Lockin17]

If teams are picking for need instead of BPA let's say,,

CHI : Center : Celebrini
SJ : RHD or LHD : Dickinson
Ducks: RHD : Levshunov
CLB: Top wing : Demidov
ARI: RHD : Parerkh
MTL: RW : Lindstrom
OTT: Defense : Silayev or Buium

 

[Mrb1p]

@Draft
@Balthazar
@CristianoRonaldo

Explain what you meant by "not physical ".

Also watch this and tell me he doesnt have good puck handling.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Yakemchuk or Jiricek at jets pick would be a charm ...

If Ottawa stays around 7th/8th I could see them being interested in Yakemchuk.

One d that might be there for the jets pick is Charlie Elick

They may fall into a range where they could trade up to grab one of them though.

Gotta look at who is picking between 11-16 and see who has a light prospect pool or amount of picks.

Would be nice to grab one of Sennecke, or MBN.

Finally saw some video of Sennecke and he has some nice hands. Might be an iceberg prospects where he has much more potential hidden below.

 

[Walksss]

Anybody think that if the Winnipeg pick ends up 22nd or later and there's no opportunity to move up we swing for the fences and draft Connelly thinking he can be fixed?

I'm not really into that idea just yet but I could be convinced to just swing for the home run pick with the excess draft capital we have assuming he's not a complete psychopath.

 

[vokiel]

Anybody think that if the Winnipeg pick ends up 22nd or later and there's no opportunity to move up we swing for the fences and draft Connelly thinking he can be fixed?

I'm not really into that idea just yet but I could be convinced to just swing for the home run pick with the excess draft capital we have assuming he's not a complete psychopath.

I have no idea where the Connelly is a psychopath thing comes from. Even without that, I'm not overly impressed by his play. He looks like he's playing a Drouin game far too much.

 

[calder candidate]

I have no idea where the Connelly is a psychopath thing comes from. Even without that, I'm not overly impressed by his play. He looks like he's playing a Drouin game far too much.

Even if he is a Drouin at 22nd+ is there any guy that has that kind of upside? it is a no brainer to me, unless he is psychopath I would gamble on him.

 

[Draft]

@Draft
@Balthazar
@CristianoRonaldo

Explain what you meant by "not physical ".

Also watch this and tell me he doesnt have good puck handling.

I said that you were over-stating his play/impact, not that he was "not physical". As I've said before, his tools, compete, and physical play all rank at a good to very good level for a first round pick. I've seen him play live and I've come away impressed with his growth this year.

A 2min highlight reel of him using his body to make plays in junior doesn't change the fact that he doesn't have elite physical tools (i.e. Lindstrom, Tkachuk, Slafkovsky) and he doesn't play to hurt or shift a game with physicality. I don't project him as having elite physical tools, as developing a mean streak, or ultimately being defined by elite physical play in the NHL - puck protection or otherwise. Therefore, I don't foresee him having a "physical edge" (meaning either physical impact or advantage) in the NHL. His goalscoring and ability to make good decisions in tight spaces is what's got him to this point and it's what's going to help him carve out a role in the NHL. If his puck protection skills translate and if his frame/tools develop significantly past 18, then that's a bonus.

 

[WeThreeKings]

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Look how he navigates in traffic and his board play. Jesus, he’s impressive. So strong already for his young age.

I dont know how this organisation would pass on him for Catton.

They won't.. we all know Catton doesn't come up as an option until Celebrini Demidov Lindstrom and Iginla are gone.

 

[Habs]

@Draft
@Balthazar
@CristianoRonaldo

Explain what you meant by "not physical ".

Also watch this and tell me he doesnt have good puck handling.

i'm watching Tig in Kelowna next week, I'll provide my expert unbiased analysis

 

[26Mats]

here's my updated wish list

Celebrini

Demidov

Catton
Iginla <--- these 3 are VERY close
Lindstrom

Levshunov
Eiserman
Parekh
Helenius
Buium
Dickinson

My question for jets pick is who has the highest offensive potential in that range? I'm open minded as for who to pick in that range as I know very little of those guys...so please, sell me your guys!! lol

Re: Jets pick, Trevor Connolly?

At any rate our scouting team comes up with players they like that they think will be available at the places we have picks. We saw the video of ahead of the draft last year and they talked about getting Fowler in the 3rd round and then Bogdan and Xhekaj in the 4th round, and then Miller in the 5th. They were even debating who to take first in the 4th round if both were still on the table, Xhekaj or Bogdan.

So I'm sure they'll have targets. And so far they've had a good batting average after our lottery pick in the 1st 3 rounds, with Beck, Hutson, Engstrom, Fowler, Bogdan, and Xhekaj. Though Mesar and Rohrer aren't looking great, you can't win them all and there's still time.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

@Draft
@Balthazar
@CristianoRonaldo

Explain what you meant by "not physical ".

Also watch this and tell me he doesnt have good puck handling.

The 3 random shift by shift games, that I watched, I got the impression that he had limited hands. I'll watch more, but I won't fall for the highlights.

 

[Habs]

The 3 random shift by shift games, that I watched, I got the impression that he had limited hands. I'll watch more, but I won't fall for the highlights.

He was great first round, he won't have the room against PG so I'm curious to see if he can break out. The Cougars locked Catton down , he was double shifted and couldn't get out of their blanket. If he performs against that Cougar team the kid is going to rocket up the draft

 

[CAUFIELD]

If we get the 2nd overall pick, I’m selecting Lindstrom.

Give me the the big physical center that hits , shoots and has agility. Imagine having a 3rd 6f4 skilled player in our top 6 after Slaf and Dach .

 

[Michoulicious]

If we get the 2nd overall pick, I’m selecting Lindstrom.

Give me the the big physical center that hits , shoots and has agility. Imagine having a 3rd 6f4 skilled player in our top 6 after Slaf and Dach .

He has a bad back at 17. Not great.

That is a big red flag. Not sold on his vision, but the tools are enticing for sure.

 

[Mrb1p]

I said that you were over-stating his play/impact, not that he was "not physical". As I've said before, his tools, compete, and physical play all rank at a good to very good level for a first round pick. I've seen him play live and I've come away impressed with his growth this year.

A 2min highlight reel of him using his body to make plays in junior doesn't change the fact that he doesn't have elite physical tools (i.e. Lindstrom, Tkachuk, Slafkovsky) and he doesn't play to hurt or shift a game with physicality. I don't project him as having elite physical tools, as developing a mean streak, or ultimately being defined by elite physical play in the NHL - puck protection or otherwise. Therefore, I don't foresee him having a "physical edge" (meaning either physical impact or advantage) in the NHL. His goalscoring and ability to make good decisions in tight spaces is what's got him to this point and it's what's going to help him carve out a role in the NHL. If his puck protection skills translate and if his frame/tools develop significantly past 18, then that's a bonus.

The problem is your definition of physical edge then. He definitely has one, its not on Tkachuks level but it is on Lane/Meier/etc level. A non negligible asset.

 

[Goldthorpe]

Also watch this and tell me he doesnt have good puck handling.

He reminds me of Radulov.

 

[Rozz]

Re: Jets pick, Trevor Connolly?

At any rate our scouting team comes up with players they like that they think will be available at the places we have picks. We saw the video of ahead of the draft last year and they talked about getting Fowler in the 3rd round and then Bogdan and Xhekaj in the 4th round, and then Miller in the 5th. They were even debating who to take first in the 4th round if both were still on the table, Xhekaj or Bogdan.

So I'm sure they'll have targets. And so far they've had a good batting average after our lottery pick in the 1st 3 rounds, with Beck, Hutson, Engstrom, Fowler, Bogdan, and Xhekaj. Though Mesar and Rohrer aren't looking great, you can't win them all and there's still time.

very well said! I do trust our scouts alot more these days

 

[Schooner Guy]

Anybody think that if the Winnipeg pick ends up 22nd or later and there's no opportunity to move up we swing for the fences and draft Connelly thinking he can be fixed?

I'm not really into that idea just yet but I could be convinced to just swing for the home run pick with the excess draft capital we have assuming he's not a complete psychopath.

There's no way the Habs take Connelly. The Mailloux pick caused huge backlash among fans/media and sponsors were livid. Connelly's wrapsheet is very disturbing and it would put backlash at whole new level. Also it's not just a one-off incident with Connelly.

 

[WeThreeKings]

There's no way the Habs take Connelly. The Mailloux pick caused huge backlash among fans/media and sponsors were livid. Connelly's wrapsheet is very disturbing and it would put backlash at whole new level. Also it's not just a one-off incident with Connelly.

Yeah people need to stop with Habs and Connelly.. it's never happening.

 

[Mrb1p]

He reminds me of Radulov.

Much faster than Radu version Habs. Also a much better shooter.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Yeah people need to stop with Habs and Connelly.. it's never happening.

Habs wouldn't take him if he was still there in the 7th round. If there was ever a "ND" for the Habs, it's Connelly.

 

[Mrb1p]

There's no way the Habs take Connelly. The Mailloux pick caused huge backlash among fans/media and sponsors were livid. Connelly's wrapsheet is very disturbing and it would put backlash at whole new level. Also it's not just a one-off incident with Connelly.

Maybe in the 2nd but Ill lose respect if they did so. You cant talk character and then pull this.

 

[Draft]

The problem is your definition of physical edge then. He definitely has one, its not on Tkachuks level but it is on Lane/Meier/etc level. A non negligible asset.

Describing a "non-negligible" asset as if it's an elite attribute may be the problem.

Not as competitive or as physical as Kane in his draft year.

I can buy some similarities to Meier if he develops well physically post-draft. However, Meier was a better playmaker and a worse skater at the same age so the contribution may look different.

If his play as a scoring winger doesn't translate and his B-game is as a physical, grinding forward - based on the draft year it likely won't be as a playmaker or as a defensive player - it's pretty underwhelming.

 

[Mrb1p]

Describing a "non-negligible" asset as if it's an elite attribute may be the problem.

Not as competitive or as physical as Kane in his draft year.

I can buy some similarities to Meier if he develops well physically post-draft. However, Meier was a better playmaker and a worse skater at the same age so the contribution may look different.

If his play as a scoring winger doesn't translate and his B-game is as a physical, grinding forward - based on the draft year it likely won't be as a playmaker or as a defensive player - it's pretty underwhelming.

Watch Iginla again please. Your assessment is off.