HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[Zilo44]

You're probably right, but I'm hoping that they don't trade the pick. They're not going to get much for that pick. If they're lucky it will be another middle six forward (which they don't need). The Habs need to swing for the fences with that pick. They need a game changer, and while it's unlikely that they find it with the Winnipeg pick, there's always a chance. You're not getting a game changer in exchange for the pick (unless another team is really stupid). Newhook has looked good so far in a one season sample for the Habs. He looks better than he did in Colorado anyway. Dach has produced when not injured as well (and lets not forget that he was acquired for earlier first rounder not a late first). However, not all these trades work out. Bergevin dealt a late 1st and an early second for Dvorak and look how that has worked out. The Habs need an influx of good forward prospects and this might be the opportunity to add two (with their own 1st rounder and Winnipeg's). Even if they don't use the pick as is instead of trying to add to it to move up.

We can hope to hit that pick but the other thing is as much as we hope that all our players will hit their prime at the same time, you still need a lasting influx of prospects.

There is no guarantee we won’t lose guys to FA in the future (just like any contender).

 

[le_sean]

Helenius is the most meh player ever.

Meh skater. Meh shot. Meh vision. Meh offense. Not big.

Good compete.

We need top talent with a top 10 pick, not middle 6 players.

Definitely wouldn’t say his vision is “meh”

I mean all of that stuff you mentioned was said about Suzuki as well. Then we see how much IQ + compete plays a role in the quality of a player.

 

[Andrei79]

Helenius is the most meh player ever.

Meh skater. Meh shot. Meh vision. Meh offense. Not big.

Good compete.

We need top talent with a top 10 pick, not middle 6 players.

It's funny, because your post is a copy/paste of what you were saying about Lundell back in 2020 (vs Stutzle whom you wanted).

 

[McGees]

You're probably right, but I'm hoping that they don't trade the pick. They're not going to get much for that pick. If they're lucky it will be another middle six forward (which they don't need). The Habs need to swing for the fences with that pick. They need a game changer, and while it's unlikely that they find it with the Winnipeg pick, there's always a chance. You're not getting a game changer in exchange for the pick (unless another team is really stupid). Newhook has looked good so far in a one season sample for the Habs. He looks better than he did in Colorado anyway. Dach has produced when not injured as well (and lets not forget that he was acquired for earlier first rounder not a late first). However, not all these trades work out. Bergevin dealt a late 1st and an early second for Dvorak and look how that has worked out. The Habs need an influx of good forward prospects and this might be the opportunity to add two (with their own 1st rounder and Winnipeg's). Even if they don't use the pick as is instead of trying to add to it to move up.

Even if we hit on a pick like that, they’ll be 4-5 years away from contributing. I see them packaging the pick with a D man to try and grab another top 6 guy.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Even if we hit on a pick like that, they’ll be 4-5 years away from contributing. I see them packaging the pick with a D man to try and grab another top 6 guy.

They also want to build a sustainable system that can't replenish talent as it prices itself out.

It depends where the pick is. If it's a valuable draft pick, they'll probably use it. There's not really a whole lot of spaces left in our current top 6, you'd expect who we draft with our pick to be that solution.

Nor do I see a guy that would be available that's a surefire top 6

 

[CHwest]

You could have stopped at backwater.

?? It's a wonderful place to live and raise a family.

 

[CHwest]

You're probably right, but I'm hoping that they don't trade the pick. They're not going to get much for that pick. If they're lucky it will be another middle six forward (which they don't need). The Habs need to swing for the fences with that pick. They need a game changer, and while it's unlikely that they find it with the Winnipeg pick, there's always a chance. You're not getting a game changer in exchange for the pick (unless another team is really stupid). Newhook has looked good so far in a one season sample for the Habs. He looks better than he did in Colorado anyway. Dach has produced when not injured as well (and lets not forget that he was acquired for earlier first rounder not a late first). However, not all these trades work out. Bergevin dealt a late 1st and an early second for Dvorak and look how that has worked out. The Habs need an influx of good forward prospects and this might be the opportunity to add two (with their own 1st rounder and Winnipeg's). Even if they don't use the pick as is instead of trying to add to it to move up.

You cannot compare what the idiot garbage picker did with this manegement team.

 

[Rozz]

For me - I'd target specifically high upside forwards and forwards with some snarl/jam all over this draft.

Then just look for the value opportunities on falling defenseman.

This! soooo much of this!

swing for the fences on forwards with huge upside... we have enough defense.

I won't be mad if they take a dman if it's great value at our pick... but I am really hoping that out 1st is used on a forward with the best upside that's available.

 

[montreal]

Assist/Parekh - 8:23
Parekh Assist - 17:34
Assist/Parekh - 23:59

not shift by shift by tons of Parekh including some nice defensive plays.

 

[just a hockey fan]

Where does the overall dislike, disrespectful, in some cases hateful attitude towards Finns come from? Habs fans seem to love targeting Finnish people in any way they can and there is a noticeable trend of negativity/hate in the past 4-5 towards Finns from them. Would be nice to know what exactly is wrong with the Finnish nationality, though whenever I see a person bring this up, they get attacked too. Seems bizarre how every single Finnish prospect and even NHL player gets hate and disrespect

 

[FrankMTL]

Where does the overall dislike, disrespectful, in some cases hateful attitude towards Finns come from? Habs fans seem to love targeting Finnish people in any way they can and there is a noticeable trend of negativity/hate in the past 4-5 towards Finns from them. Would be nice to know what exactly is wrong with the Finnish nationality, though whenever I see a person bring this up, they get attacked too. Seems bizarre how every single Finnish prospect and even NHL player gets hate and disrespect

I'm sorry you feel that way, although I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to. Do you care to share any examples as you didn't quote any posts.

Normally Canadians tend to love Finns as they tend to be the most "Canadian" like of European countries in terms of their lifestyle and gritty hockey style and passion.

Regarding the only Finn (Helenius) being discussed on these boards, some Habs fans don't want to draft him for lack of exposure (they haven't seen him play), they have seen him play, but are unsure of his upside, or they have no clue and just don't want to draft another Finn because they're still bitter regarding the last one we drafted that high (Kotkaniemi).

Either way, don't get offended or take any posts regarding Finns that seriously. It's a discussion board so there will be good and bad. You guys are well liked around these parts.

 

[Zilo44]

Yeah, Finland is what Quebec could look like if our politicians were not dumb

 

[Shutdown]

Where does the overall dislike, disrespectful, in some cases hateful attitude towards Finns come from? Habs fans seem to love targeting Finnish people in any way they can and there is a noticeable trend of negativity/hate in the past 4-5 towards Finns from them. Would be nice to know what exactly is wrong with the Finnish nationality, though whenever I see a person bring this up, they get attacked too. Seems bizarre how every single Finnish prospect and even NHL player gets hate and disrespect

really would love specific examples of this

 

[Michoulicious]

It's funny, because your post is a copy/paste of what you were saying about Lundell back in 2020 (vs Stutzle whom you wanted).

I'd rather have Stutzle like players than Lundell like players, but that is me.

 

[Andrei79]

Where does the overall dislike, disrespectful, in some cases hateful attitude towards Finns come from? Habs fans seem to love targeting Finnish people in any way they can and there is a noticeable trend of negativity/hate in the past 4-5 towards Finns from them. Would be nice to know what exactly is wrong with the Finnish nationality, though whenever I see a person bring this up, they get attacked too. Seems bizarre how every single Finnish prospect and even NHL player gets hate and disrespect

What did I just read lmao?

I'm sorry you feel that way, although I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to. Do you care to share any examples as you didn't quote any posts.
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I just read his posting history and all of his posts are basically him claiming people hate Finns. What a weird shtick.

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

I think realistically we can forget Celebrini or Lindstrom unless we win the draft lottery. The question for me is will they choose to select Demidov? I think there is more than a fair chance he will be there where we draft and in my view is quite the consolation price.

They seemed to speak highly of him
Last year in the conversation about Michkov

 

[le_sean]

I'd rather have Stutzle like players than Lundell like players, but that is me.

I too would rather 1st line wingers than 3rd line centres. But that’s not exactly the comparison we are making here. No one is taking Helenius above Demidov for example. We are talking about Helenius before Iginla or Eiserman. Neither is a Stutzle.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Basu/Godin got a listener question about Demidov again - and they are making it pretty clear that Michkov's effort without the puck and complete disregard for any zone not named the offensive zone were the issue. Demidov's competitive fire and ability to compete in all 3 zones are not an issue and therefore he'd be a target for the Habs if available.

If I remember correctly and am not getting it confused with the podcast after the draft, but that Basu knew a couple people in the Habs org who are big fans of Demidov.

 

[jaffy27]

Current top 32.

Name​	Position​	League​
Macklin Celebrini​	C​	NCAA​
Ivan Demidov​	F​	MHL​
Cayden Lindstrom​	C​	WHL​
Sam Dickinson​	LHD​	OHL​
Berkly Catton​	C​	WHL​
Zayne Parekh​	RHD​	OHL​
Artyom Levshunov​	RHD​	NCAA​
Tij Iginla​	LW​	WHL​
Cole Eiserman​	LW​	USHL​
Konsta Helenius​	C​	Liiga​
Michael Brandsegg-Nygard​	LW​	Allsvenskan​
Carter Yakemchuk​	RHD​	WHL​
Anton Silayev​	LHD​	KHL​
Zeev Buium​	LHD​	NCAA​
Adam Jiricek​	RHD​	Czechia​
Emil Hemming​	RW​	Liiga​
Liam Greentree​	RW​	OHL​
Sacha Boisvert​	C​	USHL​
Beckett Sennecke​	RW​	OHL​
Nikita Artamonov​	C​	KHL​
Michael Hage​	C​	USHL​
Andrew Basha​	C​	WHL​
Dean Letourneau​	C​	PHC​
Ryder Ritchie​	C​	WHL​
Terik Parascak​	RW​	WHL​
Igor Chernyshov​	LW​	MHL​
Matvei Gridin​	LW​	USHL​
Yegor Surin​	C​	MHL​
Cole Hutson​	LHD​	USHL​
Trevor Connelly​	F​	USHL​
Henry Mews​	RHD​	OHL​
Alfons Freij​	LHD​	J20​

Who’s top 32?

 

[Michoulicious]

I too would rather 1st line wingers than 3rd line centres. But that’s not exactly the comparison we are making here. No one is taking Helenius above Demidov for example. We are talking about Helenius before Iginla or Eiserman. Neither is a Stutzle.

Or Catton, Dickinson, Buium, etc.

Gimme any of those before a projected middle 6 C with grit in the top 10. At least Lundell was a bit bigger.

Go draft that kind of player in the late 1st.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Who’s top 32?

Yours truly.

 

[waitin425]

Admittedly I haven't seen Eiserman much. But if he is a pure sniper, I don't know if I would be adverse to taking him. If he has wheels to keep up, some defense can be taught. Caufield has taken strides on that side of the puck this year. We need a sniper to put opposite Caufield.

Slaf - Suzuki - Eiserman
Newhook - Dach - Caufield

 

[le_sean]

Or Catton, Dickinson, Buium, etc.

Gimme any of those before a projected middle 6 C with grit in the top 10. At least Lundell was a bit bigger.

Go draft that kind of player in the late 1st.

No one would take Helenius over Dickinson. Highly unlikely anyone takes him over Catton. At least no one has suggested it. Not sure the argument you’re trying to make.

 

[Michoulicious]

No one would take Helenius over Dickinson. Highly unlikely anyone takes him over Catton. At least no one has suggested it. Not sure the argument you’re trying to make.

Then no way Montreal should consider Helenius if they draft in the top 10, because there are at least 10 players with more top pair/1st line upside than him in this draft.

 

[bcv]

Admittedly I haven't seen Eiserman much. But if he is a pure sniper, I don't know if I would be adverse to taking him. If he has wheels to keep up, some defense can be taught. Caufield has taken strides on that side of the puck this year. We need a sniper to put opposite Caufield.

Slaf - Suzuki - Eiserman
Newhook - Dach - Caufield

He's shown he can do it all, he just hasn't done it often. The Habs brass has known him for a while apparently so if they pass it's because they don't believe he can fix his consistency on that side of the puck.

If they do pick him, I'm very confident he's gonna be labelled a steal a few years after the draft.