HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[le_sean]

What's funny is that you take your precious draft rankings lists as gospel but ridicule what the 2 coaches who are the most involved with him has to say about his play. I guess it doesn't fit your (or should I say the online reports you read?) narrative so it must be erroneous?

Please point me to a coach that has gone publicly to trash a draft eligible player of his.

I don’t really care what his coaches say, of course he’s the best player on his team. Doesn’t mean he’s going to be a great pro.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

is there a recent example of a team drafting in the top 10 who then picked up a second 1st round pick to draft a prospect who was falling? i thought there was but i can't quite place it.

if Eiserman falls outside the top 13, i'd see what could be done to move up with the Winnipeg pick, especially if it's a early-to-mid 20s pick

I think it’s pretty rare. And if you want another top ten you’d have to pay a lot. That’s why I’d be willing to pony up those picks.

We’ll probably finish around 12th next year. Add in two lower picks, it might be enough. Or we could add some surplus prospects…. Lots to trade with.

 

[Shutdown]

I think it’s pretty rare. And if you want another top ten you’d have to pay a lot. That’s why I’d be willing to pony up those picks.

We’ll probably finish around 12th next year. Add in two lower picks, it might be enough. Or we could add some surplus prospects…. Lots to trade with.

i found what i was looking for

Arizona picked Cooley then traded a 1st and two 2nds to be able to pick Geekie, who was projected to go around where he was picked at 11th, so not really a faller.

most other examples of teams moving into the top 15 in recent years involve a young NHLer being moved

 

[26Mats]

is there a recent example of a team drafting in the top 10 who then picked up a second 1st round pick to draft a prospect who was falling? i thought there was but i can't quite place it.

if Eiserman falls outside the top 13, i'd see what could be done to move up with the Winnipeg pick, especially if it's a early-to-mid 20s pick

Just checked. Eiserman is scoring at a slightly better pace than Caufield did. Caufield scored 1.10 goals per game. Eiserman is scoring 1.11 goals per game.

 

[Jaynki]

is there a recent example of a team drafting in the top 10 who then picked up a second 1st round pick to draft a prospect who was falling? i thought there was but i can't quite place it.

if Eiserman falls outside the top 13, i'd see what could be done to move up with the Winnipeg pick, especially if it's a early-to-mid 20s pick

StL trading former 1st RD pick Rundblad to for OTT 1st RD selection to then pick Tarasenko?

They picked Schwartz at 14, then made the trade for Tarasenko

 

[le_sean]

We also have to take USNDTP stats with a grain of salt sometimes. Those teams are ridiculously stacked. Eiserman is playing with Hagens who is the front runner to go 1st overall in 2025, and Hensler another Top 5 2025 pick. Plus 2024 draft eligible late 1st and 2nd rounders.

Wahlstrom is an example of a can’t miss prospect. Wow look at those stats. Yeah, he played with Hughes, Farabee, Wise, among others. Even Wahlstrom had more translatable tools than Eiserman and still didn’t pan out.

 

[bcv]

There’s enough respect that he’s still a top ten prospect. I think people understand the potential.

The post right before yours stated that his shot/release combo isn’t good enough to translate to the pros..

We also have to take USNDTP stats with a grain of salt sometimes. Those teams are ridiculously stacked. Eiserman is playing with Hagens who is the front runner to go 1st overall in 2025, and Hensler another Top 5 2025 pick. Plus 2024 draft eligible late 1st and 2nd rounders.

Wahlstrom is an example of a can’t miss prospect. Wow look at those stats. Yeah, he played with Hughes, Farabee, Wise, among others. Even Wahlstrom had more translatable tools than Eiserman and still didn’t pan out.

You must not be up to date with your draft rankings, many scouts have soured on Hagens already!!

 

[le_sean]

You must not be up to date with your draft rankings, many scouts have soured on Hagens already!!

Scott Wheeler literally had him as #1 4 days ago…

Either way, the point stands that he’s on a stacked team. Great situation for a sniper who floats - everyone around him is talented and get him the puck.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Oh believe me I have MANY concerns with Demidov but I have no concern about his involvement. I also disagree about the shot as easily transferable to the NHL, he is very predictable with it. Maybe on the PP you can be able to use it but in the NHL you don't just play on the PP 20 minutes per game. I am not against selecting Eiserman but to just label this as easily fixable (his compete and lack of involment) after watching what happened to Shane Wright with similar issues. I know offensive tools make people dream about HoF career but nowaday in the NHL every players in succesful team compete and show involvement unlike the 1990s or 1980s. Eiserman will require heart surgery by the team that dare to draft him.

There is zero wrong with that shot. That is as good a shot as you’ll see in the NHL. I may not have watched his full games but I’ve seen enough to know that. His shot is incredible.

 

[bcv]

Scott Wheeler literally had him as #1 4 days ago…

Either way, the point stands that he’s on a stacked team. Great situation for a sniper who floats - everyone around him is talented and get him the puck.

Mr. Wheeler had Eiserman 3rd overall (2nd forward) on his mid season rankings.

That must be quite the conundrum for you.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

There is zero wrong with that shot. That is as good a shot as you’ll see in the NHL. I may not have watched his full games but I’ve seen enough to know that. His shot is incredible.

Nothing against the shot, the issue is his ability to use it when he has no space and people get ready for him to be in his office for that shot.

 

[sampollock]

very interesting

 

[le_sean]

Mr. Wheeler had Eiserman 3rd overall (2nd forward) on his mid season rankings.

That must be quite the conundrum for you.

Okay? I don’t see what that has to do with anything. You’re avoiding any reasonable discussion and just yelling SHOT SHOT SHOT like Lil Jon.

And if I’d venture to guess, Eiserman went from 2 at the beginning of the season to 3 in January and will drop even further in his next list, like every other list.

 

[BergevinBurner]

Assuming we go into the draft with the current order unchanged, who do you think each team will end up taking from 1-7?(Not your personal preference). If I had to guess I'd go with something like:

1. San Jose - Celebrini
2. Chicago - Levshunov
3. Anaheim - Demidov
4. Columbus - Lindstrom
5. Ottawa - Yakemchuk
6. Arizona - Buium
7. Montreal - Catton

 

[Sorinth]

It's worth noting that work ethic/commitment is more about what a person is doing away from the game then how hard they skate during a game. It's that off ice commitment to getting better that will determine a player's success.

 

[Rapala]

very interesting

Yeah my Spidey senses are tingling with this guy.
So much more goes into what makes a star than talent alone this kid seems to be blessed with all that good stuff.
It's impossible to ignore his birth date as well.

 

[bcv]

Okay? I don’t see what that has to do with anything. You’re avoiding any reasonable discussion and just yelling SHOT SHOT SHOT like Lil Jon.

And if I’d venture to guess, Eiserman went from 2 at the beginning of the season to 3 in January and will drop even further in his next list, like every other list.

I’m avoiding discussions? That’s rich, especially coming from the guy whose only argument is that draft rankings have him going down.

Man, I hope Eiserman isn’t drafted by the Habs, it’s gonna be a bad look when you become his biggest fan after months of bringing him down.

You’re gonna be happy with this; I’m done having this argument with you. You can go back to spreading your uninformed opinion without pushback!

 

[WeThreeKings]

Assuming we go into the draft with the current order unchanged, who do you think each team will end up taking from 1-7?(Not your personal preference). If I had to guess I'd go with something like:

1. San Jose - Celebrini
2. Chicago - Levshunov
3. Anaheim - Demidov
4. Columbus - Lindstrom
5. Ottawa - Yakemchuk
6. Arizona - Buium
7. Montreal - Catton

SJS - Celebrini
Chicago - Levshunov
Anaheim - Yakemchuk
Columbus - Lindstrom
Ottawa - Dickinson
Arizona - Silayev
Montreal - Demidov

 

[Shutdown]

Yeah my Spidey senses are tingling with this guy.
So much more goes into what makes a star than talent alone this kid seems to be blessed with all that good stuff.
It's impossible to ignore his birth date as well.

agreed that his August birthdate makes him more interesting.

again, with my limited knowledge, he's probably the 6th forward on my board but i wouldn't be against paying a premium to pick him up as our second 1st rounder

SJS - Celebrini
Chicago - Levshunov
Anaheim - Yakemchuk
Columbus - Lindstrom
Ottawa - Dickinson
Arizona - Silayev
Montreal - Demidov

this would have me calling my doctor four hours from now

 

[le_sean]

I’m avoiding discussions? That’s rich, especially coming from the guy whose only argument is that draft rankings have him going down.

Man, I hope Eiserman isn’t drafted by the Habs, it’s gonna be a bad look when you become his biggest fan after months of bringing him down.

You’re gonna be happy with this; I’m done having this argument with you. You can go back to spreading your uninformed opinion without pushback!

I, and other posters, gave you arguments as to why there are question marks. The rankings show that many others (whose job it is) see these issues as well.

Of course I’ll be a fan if he’s drafted by the Habs. I don’t see how you use that against me. Why wouldn’t I want one of our prospects to succeed? How would that be a bad look?

Sorry for seeing a lot more potential in other top 10 picks than I do in him. I must be as uniformed as someone who just says “ELITE SHOT” when talking about him.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Nothing against the shot, the issue is his ability to use it when he has no space and people get ready for him to be in his office for that shot.

He put up a goal per game as he always have. I don’t see the basis for any concern on that front.

Compete, lack of defensive awareness, selfish… those are definitely legit concerns. But in terms of finding shooting lanes he’s always been able to do it so I don’t think he’ll have a problem with it going forward.

 

[WeThreeKings]

agreed that his August birthdate makes him more interesting.

again, with my limited knowledge, he's probably the 6th forward on my board but i wouldn't be against paying a premium to pick him up as our second 1st rounder


this would have me calling my doctor four hours from now

I'm expecting the draft to go Forward and then the next four picks being the defenseman Silayev Levshunov Dickinson and Yakemchuk in some order, the only wildcard is CBJ as I do think they are the heavy forward team who would love Lindstrom and break the pattern.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

SJS - Celebrini
Chicago - Levshunov
Anaheim - Yakemchuk
Columbus - Lindstrom
Ottawa - Dickinson
Arizona - Silayev
Montreal - Demidov

Demidov over Catton? You think Habs go with the Russian?

 

[WeThreeKings]

Demidov over Catton? You think Habs go with the Russian?

I do 100%. They talked to Arpon about Demidov when he asked about Michkov. It was never a Russian problem it was always a Michkov problem.

 

[Rapala]

agreed that his August birthdate makes him more interesting.

again, with my limited knowledge, he's probably the 6th forward on my board but i wouldn't be against paying a premium to pick him up as our second 1st rounder


this would have me calling my doctor four hours from now

I'm super paranoid that we will opt for the flash and miss out on a BEAST.
I want a Full Package type of player with our pick. I just think he may be it.
I do agree with the limited knowledge aspect of armchair drafting.
Watching these guys live in person vs video or TV is not the same thing at all.