HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[crosbyshow]

Agreed.

Tij Iginla scouting report.

Berkly Catton scouting report.

Catton is so good. Look at this analysis

His game will translate so easily in the Nhl.

So smart. Zone entrance variations.
His touch are so quick.

He has always his head up with the puck possession.

Like the dude explain I see also some shade of Kucherov with his play

Btw..Kucherov is 5.11 and 182 pounds..exactly how Catton will be in about a year or 2

Kucherov's size is exactly why the dumb scouts passed on him in the first round in 2011

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Catton is so good. Look at this analysis

His game will translate so easily in the Nhl.

So smart. Zone entrance variations.
His touch are so quick.

He has always his head up with the puck possession.

Like the dude explain I see also some shade of Kucherov with his play

Btw..Kucherov is 5.11 and 182 pounds..exactly how Catton will be in about a year or 2

Kucherov's size is exactly why the dumb scouts passed on him in the first round in 2011

Size had little to do with where he was drafted as NHL teams were actively avoiding drafting Russian players out of Russia. Kucherov was the first Russian picked in 2011 who was actually playing in Russia and the only such player picked in the top two rounds. The following season Vasilevskiy was the only Russian playing in Russia who was taken in the first two rounds. At that time there was a huge fear that Russians might not come over as the KHL was booming.

Tampa was the only team to draft Russians playing in Russia in the 1st or 2nd round i the entire NHL in 2011 and 2012 and have won multiple Stanley Cups because of this.

I suspect Kucherov is also heavier than 182 lbs as he is exactly the type of person to not give s sh*t about updating his profile which is entirely on the player as most people around here don't seem to realize. This is very likely his draft weight or his initial camp weight from when he first joined Tampa.

 

[HuGort]

It just isn't compete with Eiserman. Getzlaf brought playmaking, size, physical play, defensive play, scoring, both special teams play.

Eiserman isn't multi-faceted.

Even another pure goal scorer like Kessel had game breaking speed & was an outstanding playmaker.

Development program Eiserman goes to be a factor

 

[FrankMTL]

Nice accomplishment for Iginla, especially considering how young he is and the fact that his teammate (Andrew Cristall) had 106 points in 60 games.

 

[Shutdown]

He's going to go very high. First or second D man off the board.

He's a real athletic kid, already a pro physique. Got all the offensive tools you want, but not overly dynamic like a Quinn Hughes or a Makar. The questions are with the decision making defensively but with his size skating and athleticism he should be an above average defenseman in all facets whole being a coveted right shot.

from the little i've seen he reminds me of Doughty when he's got the puck on his stick

 

[Mrb1p]

Its my fault for believing mrb1p, I'm sorry guys.

Aint no way

 

[Leto]

 

[bcv]

Great read, but I'm biased because it confirms what I've been saying about him in this thread.

“He’s very capable of playing a complete game,” Pandolfo said. “Of the guys his age, he has always been able to score. It’s actually incredible. Like he can just score. But he’s got a lot more to his game as well, and we’re looking forward to helping him develop.”

 

[Leto]

Great read, but I'm biased because it confirms what I've been saying about him in this thread.

“He’s very capable of playing a complete game,” Pandolfo said. “Of the guys his age, he has always been able to score. It’s actually incredible. Like he can just score. But he’s got a lot more to his game as well, and we’re looking forward to helping him develop.”

It is.

Then again, who knows what is said about Eiserman behind close doors. Concerns about work ethic and IQ are part of the interview process of these prospects and we are not privy to what comes out of it. I would love to be a fly on the wall during those (c.f. Wright and Michkov).

 

[le_sean]

“He’s capable of playing a complete game”

Okay then, do it

 

[SOLR]

How about that Yegor Surin kid? Good production, physical, late birthday, kind of a maniac.

Love Surin, but I have doubts his production will scale that easily - for now. Little blind spot on my part because he's been on my radar only since last summer. I want to get a better feel for how his offence improvement momentum looks.

 

[bcv]

“He’s capable of playing a complete game”

Okay then, do it

What's funny is that you take your precious draft rankings lists as gospel but ridicule what the 2 coaches who are the most involved with him has to say about his play. I guess it doesn't fit your (or should I say the online reports you read?) narrative so it must be erroneous?

 

[WeThreeKings]

What's funny is that you take your precious draft rankings lists as gospel but ridicule what the 2 coaches who are the most involved with him has to say about his play. I guess it doesn't fit your (or should I say the online reports you read?) narrative so it must be erroneous?

I mean he's falling everywhere and when you watch him, his game isn't complete at all.. the fall in rankings is in line with his play. Of course his coaches are going to give him a rave review, it's lip service.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Nice accomplishment for Iginla, especially considering how young he is and the fact that his teammate (Andrew Cristall) had 106 points in 60 games.

Iginla is a way better player/prospect than Cristall.

 

[bcv]

I mean he's falling everywhere and when you watch him, his game isn't complete at all.. the fall in rankings is in line with his play. Of course his coaches are going to give him a rave review, it's lip service.

He lacks consistency in playing a complete game but I’ve seen him make numerous plays that shows that he can, which is exactly what his coaches are saying.

Eiserman’s potential is through the roof, on par with Demidov, but, strangely, we barely hear about Demidov lack of complete game. Why is he not falling for the same reasons everyone drops Eiserman?

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

He lacks consistency in playing a complete game but I’ve seen him make numerous plays that shows that he can, which is exactly what his coaches are saying.

Eiserman’s potential is through the roof, on par with Demidov, but, strangely, we barely hear about Demidov lack of complete game. Why is he not falling for the same reasons everyone drops Eiserman?

Because Demidov has better four way mobility and drives offense, which is a pretty critical difference at this stage of the game.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

“He’s capable of playing a complete game”

Okay then, do it

Yeah. That’s what scouts expected from him and he didn’t deliver. I love the idea of drafting him but I can absolutely see why people are really skeptical.

You’d think he’d have changed his game when he started falling in the rankings and yet, that didn’t happen. It’s totally fair to ask why.

 

[WeThreeKings]

He lacks consistency in playing a complete game but I’ve seen him make numerous plays that shows that he can, which is exactly what his coaches are saying.

Eiserman’s potential is through the roof, on par with Demidov, but, strangely, we barely hear about Demidov lack of complete game. Why is he not falling for the same reasons everyone drops Eiserman?

He's not falling because he's not only a shot. There's dimensions and growth in his game.. Eiserman looked fantastic last year and was supposed to challenge Celebrini and he hasn't, that's because he hasn't grown or expanded his offensive game. Forcing your shot all the time isn't going to help your draft position.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

What's funny is that you take your precious draft rankings lists as gospel but ridicule what the 2 coaches who are the most involved with him has to say about his play. I guess it doesn't fit your (or should I say the online reports you read?) narrative so it must be erroneous?

Bob’s rankings are a compilation of scouts. He’s been a polarizing pick among those watching him.

I suspect it falls into two camps. One group that sees the potential and another group that sees his current limitations. From that perspective I get why people have hesitations.

In my view, he has incredible upside and I’d be willing to bet that with our development team and culture, he could realize that potential here. I think if we drafted him, he’d have more upside than any forward that I can remember. And the fact that he might be available late top ten or outside it… I think we should do everything we can to get a second pick. I’d trade this years Jets first, our first next year and our late first next year to get him.

At some point you have to focus more on quality than quantity. Getting him plus Catton or Lidstrom or whoever… I could really see us winning a cup down the road.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

He lacks consistency in playing a complete game but I’ve seen him make numerous plays that shows that he can, which is exactly what his coaches are saying.

Eiserman’s potential is through the roof, on par with Demidov, but, strangely, we barely hear about Demidov lack of complete game. Why is he not falling for the same reasons everyone drops Eiserman?

Funny enough Demidov are almost almost polar opposite in term of their style of play. You see Demidov skating around all over the ice and trying crazy stuff and deking 4 or 5 players while on the opposite you have Eiserman static and barely moving in his usual spot waiting to unleash his shot.

 

[bcv]

Bob’s rankings are a compilation of scouts. He’s been a polarizing pick among those watching him.

I suspect it falls into two camps. One group that sees the potential and another group that sees his current limitations. From that perspective I get why people have hesitations.

In my view, he has incredible upside and I’d be willing to bet that with our development team and culture, he could realize that potential here. I think if we drafted him, he’d have more upside than any forward that I can remember.

This pretty much nails my thoughts on the guy. He’s getting dragged through the mud as if he’s shit player while he has potential to score 50 in the NHL.

Put some rispek on his name is all, especially if your source of prospect knowledge is only reading online scouting reports.

 

[bcv]

Funny enough Demidov are almost almost polar opposite in term of their style of play. You see Demidov skating around all over the ice and trying crazy stuff and deking 4 or 5 players while on the opposite you have Eiserman static and barely moving in his usual spot waiting to unleash his shot.

Very entertaining yet not really translatable to the pros, whereas Eiserman’s shot will for sure.

Don’t get me wrong, I love Demidov, I probably take him ahead of Eiserman, but they are similar caliber prospects.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Very entertaining yet not really translatable to the pros, whereas Eiserman’s shot will for sure.

Don’t get me wrong, I love Demidov, I probably take him ahead of Eiserman, but they are similar caliber prospects.

Oh believe me I have MANY concerns with Demidov but I have no concern about his involvement. I also disagree about the shot as easily transferable to the NHL, he is very predictable with it. Maybe on the PP you can be able to use it but in the NHL you don't just play on the PP 20 minutes per game. I am not against selecting Eiserman but to just label this as easily fixable (his compete and lack of involment) after watching what happened to Shane Wright with similar issues. I know offensive tools make people dream about HoF career but nowaday in the NHL every players in succesful team compete and show involvement unlike the 1990s or 1980s. Eiserman will require heart surgery by the team that dare to draft him.

 

[Shutdown]

is there a recent example of a team drafting in the top 10 who then picked up a second 1st round pick to draft a prospect who was falling? i thought there was but i can't quite place it.

if Eiserman falls outside the top 13, i'd see what could be done to move up with the Winnipeg pick, especially if it's a early-to-mid 20s pick

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

This pretty much nails my thoughts on the guy. He’s getting dragged through the mud as if he’s shit player while he has potential to score 50 in the NHL.

Put some rispek on his name is all, especially if your source of prospect knowledge is only reading online scouting reports.

There’s enough respect that he’s still a top ten prospect. I think people understand the potential.

But look at Mitch Marner. A great skilled guy who doesn’t show up when it matters. That’s what teams are trying to avoid. There are guys who only care about their own stats… maybe Eiserman is that kind of player.

Even if he is though, he’s an 18 year old kid. I think if you put him in the right culture and develop him properly, he could be a superstar. The upside is enough that I’d want to take the risk.

I will always defer to others on the actual play as I don’t watch these guys. And remember, I thought that Wright was the guy we should take last time. My opinions are based on readings and my own research. I haven’t watched these players the way others have.