2024 NHL Draft Thread - Upd: Draft Lottery is May 7th

[Castle8130]

Think there are guys with higher upside that can finish passes from elite players is all. We already have Oliver Moore, who is .. not going to drive the bus offensively, win pucks and push the pace.

Certainly depends on where that pick ends up though.

Oliver Moore was just a bad pick frankly. Brandsegg-Nygard has more redeemable qualities in my opinion. To be clear, I'm not over the moon for him. His offensive skill is more translatable than Moore's, but he isn't a creative player either. Reminds me of a Brandon Saad type.

The difference between #1 and #2 this year is astronomical. I'm already of the mindset that we do not win the lottery. I'm very open to the idea of picking two forwards in this defense heavy draft class. I personally do not want Silayev or Dickinson because we already have plenty of bigger shut down defenders in our young core (Allen, Vlasic, Del Maestro, and possibly Korchinski). The Hawks prospect needs are currently;

- Size up front
- Power Forwards (preferably Centers)
- Power play defenseman
- High-end skill Forwards

Now, I never advocate to reach way down the draft board for needs. If it's close between two, take the one that fits the most. As long as the player fits one of those 4 categories, I'm happy.

 

[x Tame Impala]

its much harder to trade up then what the chart says. IMO. NFL you can do it. Its just really rare for teams to trade back from the top 10. trying to think the last team.

Agreed. I'm struggling to remember recent examples of teams moving up in the draft but it doesn't seem like GMs are eager to accept 2nd rounders for moving out of their draft position.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Oliver Moore was just a bad pick frankly. Brandsegg-Nygard has more redeemable qualities in my opinion. To be clear, I'm not over the moon for him. His offensive skill is more translatable than Moore's, but he isn't a creative player either. Reminds me of a Brandon Saad type.

The difference between #1 and #2 this year is astronomical. I'm already of the mindset that we do not win the lottery. I'm very open to the idea of picking two forwards in this defense heavy draft class. I personally do not want Silayev or Dickinson because we already have plenty of bigger shut down defenders in our young core (Allen, Vlasic, Del Maestro, and possibly Korchinski). The Hawks prospect needs are currently;

- Size up front
- Power Forwards (preferably Centers)
- Power play defenseman
- High-end skill Forwards

Now, I never advocate to reach way down the draft board for needs. If it's close between two, take the one that fits the most. As long as the player fits one of those 4 categories, I'm happy.

Wasn't it pretty much consensus that he should have gone higher and the Hawks were given a gift with him falling? He's nearly a PPG as a freshman at Minnesota. And a +14. So he seems to be defensively responsible, also. Not sure what the issue with that pick is. And I really haven't seen much of anything to say that it was a bad pick from pretty much anyone in hockey...

Also, you never reach down the board for need. It almost never works out to take need over BPA.

 

[TLEH]

I wouldn't call Oliver Moore a bad pick right now. I preferred the upside of Gabe Perreault but I wouldn't call him a bad pick.

What I wanted doesn't mean I was unhappy with Oliver Moore or that I think Oliver Moore is a bad pick. I think he will be a very useful player. Just unsure of the offensive upside. Which is the same question with MBN. Of the two players, I prefer Moore anyway.

Also I wouldn't even worry about needs at this point. We need just a lot of good hockey players. If you have them ranked the same then yeah sure positional tie break.

 

[ChiHawks10]

I wouldn't call Oliver Moore a bad pick right now. I preferred the upside of Gabe Perreault but I wouldn't call him a bad pick.

What I wanted doesn't mean I was unhappy with Oliver Moore or that I think Oliver Moore is a bad pick. I think he will be a very useful player. Just unsure of the offensive upside. Which is the same question with MBN. Of the two players, I prefer Moore anyway.

Also I wouldn't even worry about needs at this point. We need just a lot of good hockey players. If you have them ranked the same then yeah sure positional tie break.

Yeah, kind of a weird take to call an extremely fast, high motor, defensively responsible, two-way forward who should have probably gone a little higher, a bad pick.

And I'd say most players who don't have any offensive upside don't go nearly a ppg in D1 college as a freshman.

 

[TLEH]

Yeah, kind of a weird take to call an extremely fast, high motor, defensively responsible, two-way forward who should have probably gone a little higher, a bad pick.

And I'd say most players who don't have any offensive upside don't go nearly a ppg in D1 college as a freshman.

Yeah its more a play style projection at the NHL level than pure numbers.. oh yeah and I could also just be wrong.

Back to the 24 draft..

 

[Castle8130]

Wasn't it pretty much consensus that he should have gone higher and the Hawks were given a gift with him falling? He's nearly a PPG as a freshman at Minnesota. And a +14. So he seems to be defensively responsible, also. Not sure what the issue with that pick is. And I really haven't seen much of anything to say that it was a bad pick from pretty much anyone in hockey...

Also, you never reach down the board for need. It almost never works out to take need over BPA.

The Hawks wanted to draft him as early as 10 from what I heard. And my god, if the Hawks had moved down to 5th oa and wanted him there, that would've been a nightmare. I've never been a fan of the pick and some people were either really high on him or very low. I had Perreault, Edstrom, Gulyayev, and Nadeau comfortably ahead of him. We'll see how he progresses, but he projects more of a bottom 6 guy as a 1st round pick.

 

[ChiHawks10]

The Hawks wanted to drafted him as early as 10 form what I heard. And my god, if the Hawks had moved down to 5th oa and wanted him there, that would've been a nightmare. I've never been a fan of the pick and some people were either really high on him or very low. I had Perreault, Edstrom, Gulyayev, and Nadeau comfortably ahead of him. We'll see how he progresses, but he projects more of a bottom 6 guy as a 1st round pick.

Based on what? I'd say his floor is middle 6, defensively responsible two-way forward, probably around a 40-50 point guy, and PKs. At least as long as what he's showing in college translates to the NHL.

 

[TLEH]

Our most likely draft position today is 3rd or 4th and 15th currently with Tampa.

 

[MicronMega]

Our most likely draft position today is 3rd or 4th and 15th currently with Tampa.

It is currently 2nd and only two points ahead of SJ with equal number of games played.

 

[MTU34]

It is currently 2nd and only two points ahead of SJ with equal number of games played.

3rd/4th likely takes the lottery into account

 

[TLEH]

It is currently 2nd and only two points ahead of SJ with equal number of games played.

Yeah if you finish 2nd you are statistically most likely to pick 4th.

 

[Wally1112pac]

Yeah if you finish 2nd you are statistically most likely to pick 4th.

If you finish 3rd you are statistically likely to pick 5th.

 

[TLEH]

If you finish 3rd you are statistically likely to pick 5th.

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Haha yeah of course. For sake of discussion today.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Sharks win again! Now we’re tied for last, with Bedard nowhere close to returning.

 

[Muffinalt]

Think there are guys with higher upside that can finish passes from elite players is all. We already have Oliver Moore, who is .. not going to drive the bus offensively, win pucks and push the pace.

Certainly depends on where that pick ends up though.

I think it's good to round out your top end skill with gritty effort guys who can hang with elite talent at least least.

Only with the Tampa pick territory of course.

I like MNB because he adds legit big play and some banging.

 

[ndgt10]

Is Demidov the consensus #2 pick?

 

[Larmer83]

Is Demidov the consensus #2 pick?

No.
Ranked #3 by CONSOLIDATED RANKING
Ranked #2 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM
Ranked #2 by DAILY FACEOFF
Ranked #3 by THE HOCKEY NEWS
Ranked #6 by TSN/BOB McKENZIE
Ranked #7 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY
Ranked #5 by TSN/CRAIG BUTTON
Ranked #3 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (EU Skaters)
Ranked #2 by DOBBERPROSPECTS
Ranked #3 by DRAFT PROSPECTS HOCKEY
Ranked #2 by SMAHT SCOUTING

 

[kmwtrucks]

Is Demidov the consensus #2 pick?

because the Russian factor I think he goes 5-10 IMO

 

[BHawk21]

I want or can talk myself into anybody in the top 8 besides maybe Dickinson so unless they go on an insane run ill be happy.

Unless they go way off the board.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Based on what? I'd say his floor is middle 6, defensively responsible two-way forward, probably around a 40-50 point guy, and PKs. At least as long as what he's showing in college translates to the NHL.

Agree

Derek Stepan type (Moore obviously is light years better skater)

If that is case its fantastic pick (Stepan was hell of a player for years in NY)

 

[TLEH]

Is Demidov the consensus #2 pick?

No consensus this year at all. Its Macklin right now and about 6 or 7 guys that could go two. (As of today)

 

[WarriorofTime]

Ivan Demidov can come over as soon as 2025. SKA is run by an idiot and he’s getting a raw deal as far as KHL goes same as Michkov. This kid is an animal and a pretty clear second best forward in the draft. He’d be a great pick at 3 or 4.

 

[TLEH]

Demidov with a 5 goal game today.

 

[kmwtrucks]

Demidov with a 5 goal game today.

1 SH, 2 highlight level.