2024 NHL Draft Thread - Upd: Draft Lottery is May 7th

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Kevin Musto

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They’re obviously very different players, but Eiserman reminds me a bit of Laine in terms of where their strengths and weaknesses lie. How high would Laine go in a 2016 redraft? I have a hard time believing it’s in the top 5
Outside the top 5, but still in the top 10.

Which I think is also about where Eiserman belongs.

He's a better skater than Laine, and he's very young for the draft. Nearly a full year younger than some of the other guys.

His deficiencies are a problem, but I think dropping him too far as a result is an overreaction.
 

MTU34

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Outside the top 5, but still in the top 10.

Which I think is also about where Eiserman belongs.

He's a better skater than Laine, and he's very young for the draft. Nearly a full year younger than some of the other guys.

His deficiencies are a problem, but I think dropping him too far as a result is an overreaction.
Oh I agree. And I’m not saying he should fall outside the top 10 or anything I’m just saying he’s a guy I probably don’t give all that much consideration to with where we’re going to be picking
 
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Castle8130

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Mckenzie's list comes out Monday. Lets play a game. Who gets ranked higher?
Connelly vs. Eiserman
Dickinson vs. Silayev
Levshunov vs. Demidov
Catton vs. Buium
Helenius vs. Lindstrom



EDIT my guess;

Eiserman
Silayev
Levshunov
Buium
Lindstrom
 
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hawksfan50

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I do not care how the rankings go after the consensus #1CELEBRINI goes off the board..

You can make cases for ranking 9 or players coming after him indifferent order positions ...none are clear BPAs after Celebrini who is THE BPA
..too many different opinions how to order them after that...but different teams have differing needs for the pipeline e..I Hawks case it is Either take next best Center after Celebrini OR take a RD from 3 terrific options ...(in my order of prefernce:)
Zayne Parekh,Carter Yakemchuk ,or Artyom Levshunov all who could be taken in top 6 or 7 anyway over forwatds (after Crlebrini and Lindstrom go off the board 1 and 2 respectively..

You Centers and top ten RD are goibg to be valued over other positions in a lot ofc eams draft target lists
Sam Dickinson the top LD might go anywhere from #2 to #6 on many lists...but IF Hawks are takibg a dman they would prioritize one of the 3 top RD prizes..
So thevonlyvquestion IF Hawks draftcat #2 is do they go Center with Lindstrom or RD with their choice of any of thesec3 resll goid RD high end prospects?

I may be wrong but I think KD would go takecKindstrom at #2..but if at #3 or#4 or#5 I thinknhe grabs his RD preference.

My own preference for RD is Parekh then Yakenchuk the Levshunov but all are great forchelingvthevHawkscrepkace the stiffs they have now at RD...yes stuck with $9.5 for 6 more seasons.. but Barfy has got to be replaced by a RD with actualntalent who could be our pp qb and playdriver from the back end..

RiNZEL woukd bea great 2RD..onevof these 3RD would be a great 1RD ...then we can shove $9.5 down to 3RD because he should not becac2RD or even 2RD..because he stinks forvthe vast expense he costs us.. His ROI is worse than zero.

This shows how important adding top quality hogh end RD is forvthe Hawks..but Big Centers as talented as Lindstrom are also very hard to get after tge first few picks in a drFt ..Hawks have a chance to grab him if they lose in the Celebrini sweepstakes

AS Good as NAZAR might be,hevis small and we already have a smalk C in Bedard..

So my question to all;

Who would you take positionally at #2 given Hawks structural needs fora Cup Team in future;

BIG TALENEED CENTERE OR Potential 1RD difference-maker?

IF you prefer going RD and not taking Lindstrom ....then which of the 3 high-end RD would you want KD to take if that kid is still on the board?
If Hawks draft at #3 then if Lindstrom off the board ,Hawks will take aRD so which one do you prefer? Or if team draftibg at #2 left both Lindstrom and alk 3cof the prize RD on the boatd
..do you take Lindstrom at #3 anyway?
So forvthec2024 draftvitvshould not matter how Mckenzie or any other ranking source ranks them after Cekebrini goes off the board..It only matters if they full a big hole in the positional need for our future goodcteamand those needs are a 2C (with 1C talent) to impact play on line 2 while Bedardcdrives the bus for line1...and a 1Rd impact dman who takes over for the failed $9.5 while Rinzel improves 2RD making us forget we ever saw Barfy play ...we cannot get the RD we need later in this draft ...ie our TB pick if we take Lindstrom earlier...
So it will be decision time as to greater priority ...Big Center solution OR top end RD solution..

We may get a BiG C with talent solution with our TB pick (18-23?)...Dean Letourneau..but no guarantee he lssts that that pick.. but if off the board then we miss out on a Big Center solution as other centers are not going to have the ceilings of Lindstrom or Letpurneau ...Letourneau isxa longer wait..Nrxt season in USHL ...then season after next starts at Boston College (probably 2 seasons there)...

So maybe KD takes RD with Hawksvown pick in firstv ound then gambles he gets Letiurneau with thecTB pick later in the first-round?
 
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hawksfan50

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I think I have a logical plan for the draft:

Round 1 -Plan A

1. Draft at #1(via lotto win) ...CELEBRINI (obviously we take him.

2.the TB pick in round one...DEAN LETOURNEAu (C)

Round 1-Plan B

1.Draft at #2 CAYDEN LINDSTROM (C)

2.Draft with TB pick ANDREW BASHA (LW)

Thus get the dynamic duo linemates that compliment each other so well with Medicine Hat and dominate the ice together.
Basha is a great playmaker from the wing and Lindstrom provides power center goal scoring and plays on the rush or at the net area..
They compliment perfectly.

Round 1-Plan C
This is where Hawks draft at#3,4,5 or 6 shoukd they drop 1 or 2 spots after lotto depending g on whether they finished 2nd 3rd or 4th worst team.
IF LINDSTROM still on the board at #3 to #6 then draft him there and BASHA with the TB pick as in Plan B anyway...

However if LINDSTROM is off the board when we draft at #3 to #6 then take best remaining RD option...the prefence I have for RD isvin this order
i) ZAYNE PAREKH
ii) CARTER YAKEMCHUK
iii) ARTYOM LEVSHUNOV
Then with the TB pick take :
DEAN LETOURNEAU (C).

So for Round 1 we would get either 2Centers .

or 1Center + 1LW or 1RD +1C

The plan A where we get CELEBRINI and LETOURNEAU is good logically because theirxETA in tge showxwoukd be staggered ahich is what you want to handle future cap sigbibg or extentions.. You do not want to have too many contracts coming at same time if you hit big impact players with the picks.

CELEBRINI will pkay in the show nextsesson...so your stagger between a Bedard payday and a Celebrini payday is only going to bex1 year apart on big cap increases for their 2nd contracts..

If we take LETOURNEAU with thecTB pick then he is ETA is much later than CELEBRINI or LI LNDSTROM..

LINDSTROM with his pro frame probably plays only 1 more season in Juniors then is NHL ready
So his NHL ETA is 2025/26 season

LETOURNEAU will need 1 season in USHL then probably 2 seasons after that at Boston College .

So his NHL ETA is 2027/28 season

Bedard's 2nd contract will be 2027/28 season just as Letourneau arrives for 3 cheap seasons on his ELC ...

Thus I can see a 2 Center plan for roubd 1 with Celebrini and Letourneau ...but not with Lindstrom and Letourneau ...
Or I can see the RD +LETOURNEAU plan also making sense.

If we took LINDSTROM then giving him his linemate BASHA makes sense due both their chemistry together and complimentary styles ...BASHA might also need just 1 more season in Juniors before joining the show but Hawks could let him develop 2 more seasons in junior ..which also helps in staggering the impact on the cap.

If we took Parekh or Yakemchuk if Lindstrom off board at #3,4;5 or 6 then that also woks for staggering as the RD will not be in the show for next sesson ...probably 2 more seasons to develop more ...

Whatever...KD will also need to factor in the ETA for his picks and what pisitionally works best and the stagger planning


I will conevup with a Plan for ourc3 picks in Roubd 2 in a future post.
 
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DisgruntledHawkFan

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This may age like milk but I wouldn't touch Eiserman anywhere near where he'll potentially be available.

Catton is going to be in the NHL. How good I don't know but he's a guy that plays the game the right way. Levshunov I understand people loving the upside but he's like Anton Babchuk to me. The good is undeniable. The bad is REALLY bad.
 

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All I can say is I truly hope we'll be Celebriniating come draft day!
That said, I would be almost as happy to land Lindstrom.
I mean how lucky are we?! 3 Cups and now the potential to have a renaissance revisit to relevancy!
 

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This may age like milk but I wouldn't touch Eiserman anywhere near where he'll potentially be available.

Catton is going to be in the NHL. How good I don't know but he's a guy that plays the game the right way. Levshunov I understand people loving the upside but he's like Anton Babchuk to me. The good is undeniable. The bad is REALLY bad.
Catton has a very high floor. I think he is one of the safer picks.
 

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This may age like milk but I wouldn't touch Eiserman anywhere near where he'll potentially be available.

Catton is going to be in the NHL. How good I don't know but he's a guy that plays the game the right way. Levshunov I understand people loving the upside but he's like Anton Babchuk to me. The good is undeniable. The bad is REALLY bad.
Levshunov is just tough to project. The shot, the size, the skating. All just incredible for a guy that age in the NCAA.. but the rest of it, like the game of hockey stuff, its non-existent at times (lots of times).

I think you could look back and say "Wow how could a guy with those tools not go #2?" and you could look back and say "Wow how could a guy with that level of D0 tape go #2?" & at the end of the day I think if you're looking at it that way then the guy probably shouldn't go 2.

The Bedard draft was the Bedard draft, and if we didn't win Bedard and got Fantilli or Carlsson, we would still be getting a dynamic NHL player. This draft is truly the Macklin draft. Everything after is just a toss up on upside and fulfilling it.
 

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Levshunov is just tough to project. The shot, the size, the skating. All just incredible for a guy that age in the NCAA.. but the rest of it, like the game of hockey stuff, its non-existent at times (lots of times).

I think you could look back and say "Wow how could a guy with those tools not go #2?" and you could look back and say "Wow how could a guy with that level of D0 tape go #2?" & at the end of the day I think if you're looking at it that way then the guy probably shouldn't go 2.

The Bedard draft was the Bedard draft, and if we didn't win Bedard and got Fantilli or Carlsson, we would still be getting a dynamic NHL player. This draft is truly the Macklin draft. Everything after is just a toss up on upside and fulfilling it.
Would you entertain trading our non-1st OVR pick for some superb NHL talent? Or trading down to get more 1st rounders? I'm not sure what would be realistically available and I don't follow prospects.
 

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Would you entertain trading our non-1st OVR pick for some superb NHL talent? Or trading down to get more 1st rounders? I'm not sure what would be realistically available and I don't follow prospects.
I don't see why a team would trade an equally-good drafted prospect/young player for a draft pick when a draft-year player is farther behind in their development and therefore probably riskier.
 

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I don't see why a team would trade an equally-good drafted prospect/young player for a draft pick when a draft-year player is farther behind in their development and therefore probably riskier.
Like trading top 10 or top 15 picks for Debrincat or Kirby Dach?

A team that's about to set on a hard rebuild. Idk what team or player that could be. Does Calgary have anyone young enough to do that?
 

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Doesn't possess Cristall's talent
Talent is quite similar. The compete and defensive awareness is much better with Catton. His skating gives him a better chance to translate at this level than Cristall. I would love for him to fall to the TB pick, but I don't see that happening.
 

Kevin Musto

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Like trading top 10 or top 15 picks for Debrincat or Kirby Dach?

A team that's about to set on a hard rebuild. Idk what team or player that could be. Does Calgary have anyone young enough to do that?
If they plan to do a full rebuild, then Sharangovich. 25 years old so he'd be out of his prime by the time they could be competitive again. Also a UFA after next season.

Anyone younger like Coronato and Zary, they'd probably keep as building blocks.
 

hawksrule

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If they plan to do a full rebuild, then Sharangovich. 25 years old so he'd be out of his prime by the time they could be competitive again. Also a UFA after next season.

Anyone younger like Coronato and Zary, they'd probably keep as building blocks.
Didn’t Sharangovich just get traded for Toffoli? A pick around 11-15 seems like a big overpayment.
 

hawksfan50

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I ran the Tankathon 2024 NHL Draft Simulator 10 times...

Hawks currentlyv 2nd worst team ...but first 4 tries came out each to drafting at#4
Over all10 tries :
#1 once
#2 twice
#3 twice
#4 5 times ...
So greatest chance Hawks get bumped down 2 spots if they finish 2nd worst .
 

EddieTheEagle

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I ran the Tankathon 2024 NHL Draft Simulator 10 times...

Hawks currentlyv 2nd worst team ...but first 4 tries came out each to drafting at#4
Over all10 tries :
#1 once
#2 twice
#3 twice
#4 5 times ...
So greatest chance Hawks get bumped down 2 spots if they finish 2nd worst .
Excellent work proving out statistics. Run it 1,000 times, just to be sure.
 
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