CapitalistInfidel
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I wouldn’t mind doubling up with rhd at 34 and 54 with Badinka at 34 and either Brunicke or Kleber at 54. Between the two we should get a solid top 4 pairing guy
2024 NHL Draft Thread - Upd: Draft Lottery is May 7th
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CallMeShaft
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Most here would agree that Vlasic sucked up until this season. Wouldn't consider that "pretty quickly".
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Hawks pick from TB officially 20th. Got two top 20 picks out of that Hagel deal. Will gladly take that.
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DisgruntledHawkFan
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Vlasic’s body of work from BU through to Rockford/Chicago wasn’t exactly great prior to this year. Looked like a guy who might carve out a career as a bottom pairing defenseman. Something clicked this summer but he was not all that highly regarded before that
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I followed a lot of AHL hockey that year and the year before because I was on medical leave. Phillips and Regula were more impactful defenseman than Vlasic. Vlasic did have a nice couple playoff games.
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Odd example, Vlasic is 3 years older than Korchinski and spent almost a full season in the AHL after having done 3 seasons in college post-Draft.
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Maybe I’m not clearly articulating here. Watching Vlassic this season it’s obvious he’s got a lot of talent and ability to be a good NHLer. Looking back on these past defensive prospects over the years, who among them we saw play had similar optics? Where you can easily tell from watching them they were going to be top 4 or better Dmen?
Olsen
Johns
Dahlbeck
Paliotta
Clendening
Fournier
Dahlstrom
Soderberg
Snuggerud
Carlsson
Krys
Mitchell
Jokiharju
Beaudin
Boqvist
Kaiser
Del Mastro
Allan
Rinzel
Korchinski
…looking back on it, Jokiharju probably had one of the better stretches in the big league here. The newest guys it’s hard to gauge much and I don’t watch minor league hockey at all. Korchinski looks like he belongs here for sure, I’d imagine with age and experience he’ll improve a ton.
All I’m trying to say is we’ve had a lot of “exciting” D prospects over the years but they haven’t amounted to much of anything and it was IMHO a common thing for posters to say “be patient, they’re young, look at Duncan Kieth!”. My argument is that when it comes to pro athletes you really can pretty much tell quickly if they’ve got what it takes or not. The skill is apparent. The decision making and visual comfort out on the ice is apparent. You can see them being effective and it’s clear as day they’re going to be full time NHLers.
We’ve got that with Vlassic for sure and probably Korchinski too, you can see it plain as day. KK is practically a baby out there, I’ll give him some more time but there’s seeds of him being a good NHLer in his game that are easily noticeable. Idon’t remember any of those other guys listed looking close to as good. I think people were just being hopeful and patient based on draft pedigree.
Olsen
Johns
Dahlbeck
Paliotta
Clendening
Fournier
Dahlstrom
Soderberg
Snuggerud
Carlsson
Krys
Mitchell
Jokiharju
Beaudin
Boqvist
Kaiser
Del Mastro
Allan
Rinzel
Korchinski
…looking back on it, Jokiharju probably had one of the better stretches in the big league here. The newest guys it’s hard to gauge much and I don’t watch minor league hockey at all. Korchinski looks like he belongs here for sure, I’d imagine with age and experience he’ll improve a ton.
All I’m trying to say is we’ve had a lot of “exciting” D prospects over the years but they haven’t amounted to much of anything and it was IMHO a common thing for posters to say “be patient, they’re young, look at Duncan Kieth!”. My argument is that when it comes to pro athletes you really can pretty much tell quickly if they’ve got what it takes or not. The skill is apparent. The decision making and visual comfort out on the ice is apparent. You can see them being effective and it’s clear as day they’re going to be full time NHLers.
We’ve got that with Vlassic for sure and probably Korchinski too, you can see it plain as day. KK is practically a baby out there, I’ll give him some more time but there’s seeds of him being a good NHLer in his game that are easily noticeable. Idon’t remember any of those other guys listed looking close to as good. I think people were just being hopeful and patient based on draft pedigree.
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Tampa pick is officailly locked in at 20.
We're now looking at Allan, EDM, Phillips, and Kaiser as guys that might get there. Although bottom pairing is probably more likely for all of them.
Can't speak for the guys drafted pre-2017 since I wasn't following prospects then.
But yeah I think for the most part you're right about knowing whether someone has it or not. I think cases like Vlasic are less common. Although big guys tend to take longer to develop so there's that aspect.
In their draft years, Jokiharju, Boqvist, Rinzel, and Korchinski all projected to have top 4 upside. Mitchell looked like it in his D+1 season. I guess Beaudin too although he was small, not a plus skater, and developing in a mediocre league so in retrospect we shouldn't have expected much.
We're now looking at Allan, EDM, Phillips, and Kaiser as guys that might get there. Although bottom pairing is probably more likely for all of them.
Can't speak for the guys drafted pre-2017 since I wasn't following prospects then.
But yeah I think for the most part you're right about knowing whether someone has it or not. I think cases like Vlasic are less common. Although big guys tend to take longer to develop so there's that aspect.
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2024 NHL Draft top 32 prospects: Scott Wheeler’s post-U18 worlds ranking
Scott Wheeler breaks down the top 32 prospects eligible for the 2024 NHL Draft.
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Couple of guys moved up on Wheelers list now. Couple of guys moved down.
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No you have to listen through the radio like a WWI fighter pilot
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From Wheelers updated list...
tier 1
tier 2
tier 3
tier 4
tier 5
honorable mentions
tier 1
Macklin Celebrini
tier 2
Ivan Demidov
Artyom Levshunov
tier 3
Zeev Buium
Zayne Parekh
Cole Eiserman
Sam Dickinson
Berkly Catton
Konsta Helenius
Anton Silayev
Cayden Lindstrom
tier 4
Tij Iginla
Carter Yakemchuk
Michael Brandsegg-Nygard
Michael Hage
Beckett Sennecke
Trevor Connelly
tier 5
Emil Hemming
Liam Greentree
Terik Parascak
Adam Jiricek
Igor Chernyshov
Aron Kiviharju
Sacha Boisvert
Henry Mews
Leo Sahlin Wallenius
Maxim Massé
Andrew Basha
Ryder Ritchie
Teddy Stiga
E.J. Emery
Jett Luchanko
honorable mentions
Nikita Artamonov
Dominik Badinka
Cole Beaudoin
Charlie Elick
Alfons Freij
Tanner Howe
Cole Hutson
Matvei Gridin
Lucas Pettersson
Yegor Surin
Marek Vanacker
Of the guys he's got ranked in the early 20s, I would be pretty happy with Jiricek, Chernyshov, or Boisvert. Would also be cool if some of the forwards he's got in the teens drop a little.2024 NHL Draft top 32 prospects: Scott Wheeler’s post-U18 worlds ranking
Scott Wheeler breaks down the top 32 prospects eligible for the 2024 NHL Draft.
Couple of guys moved up on Wheelers list now. Couple of guys moved down.
I'm sure Davidson is also enamored with guys like Luchanko, Basha, and Stiga if they're there at 34. Would really like to walk away with at least one RHD in the first three picks in a perfect world though.
TLEH
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Defenders are really hard to predict and peak later like we all know. Keith, Josi, Hedman even. These guys all took 5 seasons or so of professional hockey before becoming the players they are now. No one should be writing off Korchinski yet.
There are also the cases of guys who just had it right away, like Doughty or Makar. Even Mintyukov this year had a great 19 year old year.
There are also the cases of guys who just had it right away, like Doughty or Makar. Even Mintyukov this year had a great 19 year old year.
TLEH
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Wheeler expects Hage to go 15-25. Split the middle and would love to snag him at 20. Overall I think his list is pretty close to how a lot of NHL teams will have it, although I think Sennecke gets drafted higher than 16.
Should give an idea of where teams actually view these guys
BHawk21
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It does not seem like the pundits are as in on Lindstrom as the fans.
dreadpirateroberts
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He’s my #1 option for 20. You can never have enough center depth
Castle8130
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Cole Eiserman at 6 shocks me to be honest. I know the Bob-father still had him high in his last rankings, but he would scare the crap out of me if the Hawks got him. I even prefer guys like Hage and Sennecke to him.
Still can't believe Surin hasn't entered his 1st round. Would love to get him on the Hawks at 34
TLEH
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Hard to have a guy ranked Top 3 that played on a stacked roster, wasn't dominant in his D-1, and was injured half his D0. You're just projecting a bunch of tools. I personally wasn't all in on him for a while now and while its unfortunate that most of his drop is due to injury, I'm glad we will likely avoid taking him Top 4.
Blackhawkswincup
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I don't expect Hawks to have luck they did last year. My only hope is that they dont fall which I fear
If they stay at #2 Demidov should be pick
If they fall to #3 then I probably listen to trade offers but ultimately take Levshunov
If they fall to #4,, Honestly a few guys could go there but none are as good as the top 3 guys
If they stay at #2 Demidov should be pick
If they fall to #3 then I probably listen to trade offers but ultimately take Levshunov
If they fall to #4,, Honestly a few guys could go there but none are as good as the top 3 guys
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