2024 NHL Draft Thread Part 2 - Picks 2 & 18 in the 1st Round

[Ace Card Bedard]

that is going to be really tough to move up the only team that might be open is DET. maybe we take Justin holl and the 15th for 18th. anybody higher I just dont see them wanting to trade out of that spot. he is owed 3.4 mil for 2 more years and was scratched most of last season.

I'd happily take that deal.

 

[u2wojo]

that is going to be really tough to move up the only team that might be open is DET. maybe we take Justin holl and the 15th for 18th. anybody higher I just dont see them wanting to trade out of that spot. he is owed 3.4 mil for 2 more years and was scratched most of last season.

I have no problem taking Holl as a dump as we need to add a bottom of the roster RHD while we wait for Rinzel and whoever we take this draft to develop. However swaping 18 for 15 simply is not enough as that equates to an early 3rd which is pretty light on taking on 7 million in cap. I would probably need to see something like Berggren for the Dallas '25 2nd or at the least a future 2nd.

 

[x Tame Impala]

34 for 15 and Holl would be closer to fair value to me

 

[kmwtrucks]

34 for 15 and Holl would be closer to fair value to me

cap dumps are not going to return as much this year. to much excess cap space on the market with the cap going up $4mil

 

[u2wojo]

I think NJ at #10 is a viable target. #18 + #34 are a little more than fair value for #10 and I have problem adding even #50 to overpay significantly. Despite not having a 2nd, the real problem is NJ probably is looking for more NHL level players than picks with where they are at. I would imagine Kurashev, and Mrazek (maybe with some retention), and maybe even Donato would have some interest. NJ probably would love to figure a way out of Palat's contract but 3 years at 6 per and a full NTC makes that unlikely.

 

[u2wojo]

cap dumps are not going to return as much this year. to much excess cap space on the market with the cap going up $4mil

I agree it will likely be less, but there is a limited supply of teams that have an appetite for dumps (both in terms of actual available cap space and resourses to pay for a poor player) while on the hand there is more demand of playoff teams that want to rid themselves of a contract or two so they can add useful pieces.

Realistic suppy of potential teams that could take a dump are Anaheim, San Jose, Hawks, Utah and maybe Columbus. I think Utah and Anaheim are way more likely to want to spend money to improve on ice product then they are to buy draft picks. I just don't see many other teams that are going to be in that market

 

[kmwtrucks]

I agree it will likely be less, but there is a limited supply of teams that have an appetite for dumps (both in terms of actual available cap space and resourses to pay for a poor player) while on the hand there is more demand of playoff teams that want to rid themselves of a contract or two so they can add useful pieces.

Realistic suppy of potential teams that could take a dump are Anaheim, San Jose, Hawks, Utah and maybe Columbus. I think Utah and Anaheim are way more likely to want to spend money to improve on ice product then they are to buy draft picks. I just don't see many other teams that are going to be in that market

other then the 6-8 teams really trying to win a ST next year the other teams dont want to use up all there space in one off season. Utah would like to get better But they have 40 mil of cap space and the UFA's are going to get TERM!! this year more then any year the past few. so guys that overpaid but are on 2 years deals holl Pagneu michyeve you may take with a 3rd coming with. in years past that would take a 2nd + the other option is signing a bottom 6 or bottom pairing guys for 4-5 years

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

I agree it will likely be less, but there is a limited supply of teams that have an appetite for dumps (both in terms of actual available cap space and resourses to pay for a poor player) while on the hand there is more demand of playoff teams that want to rid themselves of a contract or two so they can add useful pieces.

Realistic suppy of potential teams that could take a dump are Anaheim, San Jose, Hawks, Utah and maybe Columbus. I think Utah and Anaheim are way more likely to want to spend money to improve on ice product then they are to buy draft picks. I just don't see many other teams that are going to be in that market

Agree with your take on potential retention team. Also should note that SJ tried very hard to minimize the retained amounts on Karlsson & Hertl, which limited the return in those deals. It sounded like that was a business decision from ownership, but that was from the rumor-mill.

 

[x Tame Impala]

cap dumps are not going to return as much this year. to much excess cap space on the market with the cap going up $4mil

Fair enough but the original deal isn’t good value either

 

[kmwtrucks]

this is a guy I would like in the 3rd round. 6-4 190 RD. hands and feet look ok. and big guys seem to add speed later in there development curve. for a big edge work and hands seem harder to add.

starts at the 5:58 mark Artem Taimsov

 

[Kevin Musto]

As some are mentioning, it's possible they go from 18 to 15 first (Detroit), then 15 to 10 (New Jersey).

Easier sell than trying to go straight from 18 to 10.

It is a lot of movement, and we rarely see that happen, but Kyle seems committed to do it. Getting that Islanders trade done well ahead of the draft shows he's going to be aggressive instead of waiting around.

 

[HawksDub89]

IMO - the Hawks need difference makers. From what I've read - I'd have more confidence in Demidov being a difference maker - but that is why KD & team make the big money.

"Toolsy" players scare me, because I have flashbacks to guys I was really high on like Zach Bogosion who had all the measurables, but didn't think the game quick enough to be an impact player at the NHL level. I have more confidence in forwards who understand how to attack to create offense, because IMO they are more able to adapt when the level of play is higher. Of course - I fall into my biases where the players I like I think are more likely to reach their upside potential.

I’m more confident Demidov becomes a star winger than I am Levshunov becoming a 1D. Which is why I’d go Demidov.

I think Levshunovs floor is a second pairing D, which isn’t bad. But you want more than that at 2nd overall.

There’s a world where Demidov becomes a 90-100 point winger. That’s just too much to pass up for me.

 

[ello]

Yakemchuk reminds of Byfuglien. Big flashy physical RHD, generate offense stylistically like a forward, questions about defensive discipline

 

[Kevin Musto]

Yakemchuk reminds of Byfuglien. Big flashy physical RHD, generate offense stylistically like a forward, questions about defensive discipline

Defense is where he struggles, yeah. His positioning and gap control just isn't very good right now. Which is obviously very important for a defenseman, but he's trying a lot offensively. He has tons of upside as a point producer.

I think if you're the Blackhawks, you just pair him with Vlasic to help alleviate some errors, and then that frees him up to cook in the offensive end.

And obviously you continue to work with him to improve his defensive play. I think it helps that he's a big physical player. That type of engagement you can't really teach.

 

[Castle8130]

I doubt the Hawks move up from 18. This thread is making it seem like a more likely scenario than it is. I'm pretty happy where our picks are as is

 

[ClydeLee]

I doubt the Hawks move up from 18. This thread is making it seem like a more likely scenario than it is. I'm pretty happy where our picks are as is

It's an insane trade to pull the trigger on if not. Like, why not agree to the trade parameters of value but only make the trade on draft day if a guy in your higher tier of prospects is still around.

 

[u2wojo]

I disagree that this is a draft the Hawks can not move up in. I think last years was deeper and therefore harder to move and the first time no picks were getting trade on draft day. flat cap and weak free agency class also played a factor along with the stronger draft class.

If the Hawks want #10 from NJ, they simply offer #18, #34, & #50 and I can not see NJ saying no as that is an overpay to the equivalent of a 2nd in the 40's on fair value. If they do, you offer #67. If they say no again, you offer Dallas '25 2nd. There is a point that the value becomes to compelling to say no and the Hawks have the chips to not only do it, but I would argue should do it. You can't keep taking 6, 7, 8 top 100 picks draft after draft after draft and have that work. There are only so many roster spots in the AHL and NHL and at some point you will start losing lesser prospects who will wait out free agency to go to organizations with easier (or one at all) paths. You can keep using all these 2nds and 3rds to pick players you likely end up losing some for nothing in 2 or 3 years because there are no roster spots, or use the draft picks to "overpay" to move up and consolidate into better prospects.

Another approach to subsequently moving up may be acquiring a 3rd 1st round pick first. There are a number of teams with very few picks this &/or next season that should be open to trading down for more kicks at the can. #19 Vegas has 1 pick & LA has 2 in the first 5 rounds. Colorado and Toronto only have this years 1st rounder in the first 3 rounds of the next TWO drafts. Every one of those teams should have a interest in trading back to acquire multiple 2nd/3rds over this and next draft.

 

[x Tame Impala]

I disagree that this is a draft the Hawks can not move up in. I think last years was deeper and therefore harder to move and the first time no picks were getting trade on draft day. flat cap and weak free agency class also played a factor along with the stronger draft class.

If the Hawks want #10 from NJ, they simply offer #18, #34, & #50 and I can not see NJ saying no as that is an overpay to the equivalent of a 2nd in the 40's on fair value. If they do, you offer #67. If they say no again, you offer Dallas '25 2nd. There is a point that the value becomes to compelling to say no and the Hawks have the chips to not only do it, but I would argue should do it. You can't keep taking 6, 7, 8 top 100 picks draft after draft after draft and have that work. There are only so many roster spots in the AHL and NHL and at some point you will start losing lesser prospects who will wait out free agency to go to organizations with easier (or one at all) paths. You can keep using all these 2nds and 3rds to pick players you likely end up losing some for nothing in 2 or 3 years because there are no roster spots, or use the draft picks to "overpay" to move up and consolidate into better prospects.

Another approach to subsequently moving up may be acquiring a 3rd 1st round pick first. There are a number of teams with very few picks this &/or next season that should be open to trading down for more kicks at the can. #19 Vegas has 1 pick & LA has 2 in the first 5 rounds. Colorado and Toronto only have this years 1st rounder in the first 3 rounds of the next TWO drafts. Every one of those teams should have a interest in trading back to acquire multiple 2nd/3rds over this and next draft.

I don't see why a team would want to drop down 8 spots in the first round. When we had the #8 pick (2018?) I would've been pissed had Bowman traded that pick for #16 plus two 2nds. The Devils are looking to compete for a Cup and have a rare year where they're adding a top 10 pick in their contention window.

We'll certainly see what happens going forward but I don't see us providing enough value to move up a ton in the draft.

 

[Kevin Musto]

I don't see why a team would want to drop down 8 spots in the first round. When we had the #8 pick (2018?) I would've been pissed had Bowman traded that pick for #16 plus two 2nds. The Devils are looking to compete for a Cup and have a rare year where they're adding a top 10 pick in their contention window.

We'll certainly see what happens going forward but I don't see us providing enough value to move up a ton in the draft.

I don't think New Jersey is dropping for picks.

But they need a goalie.

I think New Jersey would drop for Mrazek, and maybe another roster piece.

 

[kmwtrucks]

I disagree that this is a draft the Hawks can not move up in. I think last years was deeper and therefore harder to move and the first time no picks were getting trade on draft day. flat cap and weak free agency class also played a factor along with the stronger draft class.

If the Hawks want #10 from NJ, they simply offer #18, #34, & #50 and I can not see NJ saying no as that is an overpay to the equivalent of a 2nd in the 40's on fair value. If they do, you offer #67. If they say no again, you offer Dallas '25 2nd. There is a point that the value becomes to compelling to say no and the Hawks have the chips to not only do it, but I would argue should do it. You can't keep taking 6, 7, 8 top 100 picks draft after draft after draft and have that work. There are only so many roster spots in the AHL and NHL and at some point you will start losing lesser prospects who will wait out free agency to go to organizations with easier (or one at all) paths. You can keep using all these 2nds and 3rds to pick players you likely end up losing some for nothing in 2 or 3 years because there are no roster spots, or use the draft picks to "overpay" to move up and consolidate into better prospects.

Another approach to subsequently moving up may be acquiring a 3rd 1st round pick first. There are a number of teams with very few picks this &/or next season that should be open to trading down for more kicks at the can. #19 Vegas has 1 pick & LA has 2 in the first 5 rounds. Colorado and Toronto only have this years 1st rounder in the first 3 rounds of the next TWO drafts. Every one of those teams should have a interest in trading back to acquire multiple 2nd/3rds over this and next draft.

you are starting to sound like when dallas traded up for Hershel walker or ditka traded up Ricky williams. a slight over pay like the last trade is one thing but massive overpay you do not do. for no other reason then do you want all the other GMs thinking you do not know what you are doing. KD is already a bit of a outsider since he has never actually played hockey at any level.

 

[x Tame Impala]

I don't think New Jersey is dropping for picks.

But they need a goalie.

I think New Jersey would drop for Mrazek, and maybe another roster piece.

Mrazek is a mid-starter at best I don't think they'd swap 1sts for him. I know you'll agree with this but I'd shop 18 + Reichel and see where that gets us. Maybe add pick 50 if needed.

 

[ClydeLee]

I don't see why a team would want to drop down 8 spots in the first round. When we had the #8 pick (2018?) I would've been pissed had Bowman traded that pick for #16 plus two 2nds. The Devils are looking to compete for a Cup and have a rare year where they're adding a top 10 pick in their contention window.

We'll certainly see what happens going forward but I don't see us providing enough value to move up a ton in the draft.

What is rare about This for he devils? They've had almost a full decade of top 10 picks. They traded last years pick but Their last 1st round pick was 2nd overall and had a 4th overall the year before that. And a couple double 1st years.

They actually have quality in prospects already, but they need pieces to fill and playear's. Do the Hawks have those, no, but they can still do 2 trades to move like Montreal trading Romanov for a pick to get Dach

 

[x Tame Impala]

What is rare about This for he devils? They've had almost a full decade of top 10 picks. They traded last years pick but Their last 1st round pick was 2nd overall and had a 4th overall the year before that. And a couple double 1st years.

They actually have quality in prospects already, but they need pieces to fill and playear's. Do the Hawks have those, no, but they can still do 2 trades to move like Montreal trading Romanov for a pick to get Dach

They're supposed to be a team playing in the 2nd round or later during the playoffs. Not picking 10th. It was a step back for them they were not expecting so I doubt they'd want to trade the one consolation prize for a worse pick in the 1st round and more 2nds. If anything they'd want to trade it for a roster player I'd imagine

 

[Kevin Musto]

Mrazek is a mid-starter at best I don't think they'd swap 1sts for him. I know you'll agree with this but I'd shop 18 + Reichel and see where that gets us. Maybe add pick 50 if needed.

If they're able to move from 18 to 15 by taking Detroit cap dumps, then trade Mrazek + 15 for 10, I think New Jersey would be willing to swap since it's only 5 spots.

I agree that Reichel should be in play, though I think his value is pretty putrid right now.

 

[x Tame Impala]

If they're able to move from 18 to 15 by taking Detroit cap dumps, then trade Mrazek + 15 for 10, I think New Jersey would be willing to swap since it's only 5 spots.

I agree that Reichel should be in play, though I think his value is pretty putrid right now.

For what it's worth I like Mrazek here and would prefer we have a guy of his caliber over Soderblom + whatever other options (Stauber?) are available to us. We're past the point of it being ok to have a sieve in our net. Help this young team learn by having consistent goaltending they can rely on.