HawksDub89
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He’s the only person I’ve seen call it “high end”
I don’t think it’s low though either. Probably average.
Also Demidov at 8? Lol
2024 NHL Draft Thread Part 2 - Picks 2 & 18 in the 1st Round
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He’s the only person I’ve seen call it “high end”
I don’t think it’s low though either. Probably average.
Also Demidov at 8? Lol
TLEH
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My opinion would be either below average or average. Others I respect I've seen have him around average. Pronman has an above average level ranking that he could have applied, so he has him even ABOVE above average which I think is borderline "you haven't watched him enough" territory for me.
All I can think of is that Pronman sees Levshunov get active on offense and correlates that with hockey IQ. Nevermind how intelligent those activations are in a given situation or the other half of the rink, I guess.
He has a similar rating for Parekh (and Buium, but I think that one works for his overall game).
Also trying not to get all pissy again about his stubborn insistence on labeling Demidov as a below-average skater.
He has a similar rating for Parekh (and Buium, but I think that one works for his overall game).
Also trying not to get all pissy again about his stubborn insistence on labeling Demidov as a below-average skater.
TLEH
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Yeah I think Demidov is an adequate skater as well. I don’t think it’s going to be a problem.
Probably average speed, but better than average edges....the edge work, IQ and hands is where he'll built his Swiss bank account.
Any one watching the playoffs realizes how physical,intense and so much different than regukarxseason hockey...Hawks have so many undersized unphysical prospects in the forward pipeline that even if they produce eventually in NHL regular sesson play they will get pushed around...stymied...obliterated up front by the opos bigger dmen..
You know this.. so we have a chancevto getva Big 6'4 216 lb (probalay plays near 230 evebtualky) powerful while still sjatibg fast,powerful center with a 2 way projected game and a nasty edgevto his gameand a great shot guy wo xan score goals both from distance and in close..goid hands...defeflectionsxat net...yes still has improvements he can make but the projectile 2C isxa floor ...he coukd beca 1C lije Toews or Barkov playong a 2C to a more purely skilled smaller C in Bedard.
So to me...for the balance of power and skill structure up front,there us no question Lindstrom should be the guitar brst fits team need up front..
Even if you think Demidov has superstar qualities (debatable as he has only proved himself at the MHL level ) you already have small forward wingers in Nazar,Moore,Lardis and Kantserov...it makes no sense to add Demidov given our plethora of smalk skilled forwards in the.pipeline ...
We nedd more size and power to win puck battles along the boards and in front of the net ...
We need to be bigger down the middle,and line #2 after the Bedard line (as line #1)has to be something different ..
NEED a 2 way line with power and enough scoring skill to press and pressure the opps' D in their zone..
Lindstrom has got to be tge #2pick because the Hawks are picking..there is no guarantee he is the best "talent" but 4-5 yrarsout he could have tremendous physical dominance to push the opponents around and also match up to shut down the opponents better scorers. because they cannot get pucks back off him or lose battles to him ....so be that kind of impact player in that physical sense...
And when playoffs finally come,the little showboat disapoear and the bigger guys take over games with intensity ,physical play and less room to operate become evident.
You alk know this..
No question we need to draft Lindstrom ...Big powerful Centers who can score goals lije hom just do not hang around to later picks after the first few guys go off the board early 1st round. YOU HAVE TO GRAB this type of Big Center early...And we know that he will be there for us at #2.. I hope KD decides wisely and does not go small again up front just to put on a dangle show that may prove not so effective anyway at the NHL level.
At #18 maybe if Sennecke is still on the board at #15 #16 or#17 , KD can try moving up 2-3 spits by coupling #18 and #50 ...an equal dangler to Demidov..but much bigger at over 6'2 weight to his frame...There and projectible to get stronger as he adds more weight and muscle...and a better 2way player.
If we cannot move up from#18 to get Sennecke then hope we get 1 of 2 main targets for this pick in my books:
.Michael Hage is just over 6feet but 190 ...a tremendous skater and puck carrier with speed to blow by.defenders and back then off.. Good and creative in the o-zone...Has the ability to also be a 2 way 2C ..but 1 aspect of criticism from 1 scouting report I read said he generates his speed fron cross-overs but is a bit slow accelerating from a stopped start position...which to that report suggest he may be better suited to wing because centers stop and start a lot given their responsibilities defensively ,and so if you are a bit behind accelarting from a stopped position,this split second can lead to trailing on getting back to check.. So not sure if KDvand Hawks scouts woukd be looking to Hage as a 3C with superior attack speed and creative ozone scoring and playmaker ability,OR more as another wing scoring threat with skating and good enough size at 6'0 190 to add to the winger mix competition.
Maybe they feel he can work on getting a better jump into acceleration from stopped startsand improve so tgat he can project as a Center?
Would be a competitor to Oliver Moore for 3C or for 3RW of which1vof them eventually is a winger.
.but Hage may have top 2 line winger (#1linevor #2line)ability whereas Moore likely would be a more defensive 3C or 3RW with 2 RW upside ...maybe...
In any case I think KD may have Hage in the target sights at #18..
The other target I like at#18 is Yegor Surin 6'1 .. 190...described by 1 scout as a heat-seeking missile... and one of the 2 best and most violent hitters in this draft ,he is not some slow slug goon with no skill...rather is very athletic,good skater,great shot ,very physical,energetic with good motor...a lot of good abilities we would want as a RW.... ...BUT the biggest concern agaibst him is discipline...gets too exuberant in rough physical play...getsvtoo many penalties...so this puts vhim down into round 2 on sone scouts rankings as too risky to hope he can tame his roughing and not go off the deep end as much....other scouts say they want such a physical feared intomidator and think they can work with him to use rough play more judiciously..
but since he also has skill and athleticism,skating and scoring skills,he brings enough to think that he will get even better with those skills.
In any case sonerankibgs have him going 29-23 range ...others later 20s ..
Others not till late 30s/ early40s...
But he is very very intriguing prospect and a very young player with an August birthdate...so lots of timevgrow bigger and improve his skill more but his whole set of skill and power. is very very interesting ..and I think we need more physical presence in our forward group..
I wonder what our Russian Scout thinks of his potential?
If he likes him so kich that he gets KD to agree then maybe he would be who we take at #18?
Ceiling is top 2 line winger or sonecskil might even have the skillet and ability to play Center.. the floor may be never makes it if he cannot curnbhis over-use of rough play hurting histeam with too much time in thep-box.
You know this.. so we have a chancevto getva Big 6'4 216 lb (probalay plays near 230 evebtualky) powerful while still sjatibg fast,powerful center with a 2 way projected game and a nasty edgevto his gameand a great shot guy wo xan score goals both from distance and in close..goid hands...defeflectionsxat net...yes still has improvements he can make but the projectile 2C isxa floor ...he coukd beca 1C lije Toews or Barkov playong a 2C to a more purely skilled smaller C in Bedard.
So to me...for the balance of power and skill structure up front,there us no question Lindstrom should be the guitar brst fits team need up front..
Even if you think Demidov has superstar qualities (debatable as he has only proved himself at the MHL level ) you already have small forward wingers in Nazar,Moore,Lardis and Kantserov...it makes no sense to add Demidov given our plethora of smalk skilled forwards in the.pipeline ...
We nedd more size and power to win puck battles along the boards and in front of the net ...
We need to be bigger down the middle,and line #2 after the Bedard line (as line #1)has to be something different ..
NEED a 2 way line with power and enough scoring skill to press and pressure the opps' D in their zone..
Lindstrom has got to be tge #2pick because the Hawks are picking..there is no guarantee he is the best "talent" but 4-5 yrarsout he could have tremendous physical dominance to push the opponents around and also match up to shut down the opponents better scorers. because they cannot get pucks back off him or lose battles to him ....so be that kind of impact player in that physical sense...
And when playoffs finally come,the little showboat disapoear and the bigger guys take over games with intensity ,physical play and less room to operate become evident.
You alk know this..
No question we need to draft Lindstrom ...Big powerful Centers who can score goals lije hom just do not hang around to later picks after the first few guys go off the board early 1st round. YOU HAVE TO GRAB this type of Big Center early...And we know that he will be there for us at #2.. I hope KD decides wisely and does not go small again up front just to put on a dangle show that may prove not so effective anyway at the NHL level.
At #18 maybe if Sennecke is still on the board at #15 #16 or#17 , KD can try moving up 2-3 spits by coupling #18 and #50 ...an equal dangler to Demidov..but much bigger at over 6'2 weight to his frame...There and projectible to get stronger as he adds more weight and muscle...and a better 2way player.
If we cannot move up from#18 to get Sennecke then hope we get 1 of 2 main targets for this pick in my books:
.Michael Hage is just over 6feet but 190 ...a tremendous skater and puck carrier with speed to blow by.defenders and back then off.. Good and creative in the o-zone...Has the ability to also be a 2 way 2C ..but 1 aspect of criticism from 1 scouting report I read said he generates his speed fron cross-overs but is a bit slow accelerating from a stopped start position...which to that report suggest he may be better suited to wing because centers stop and start a lot given their responsibilities defensively ,and so if you are a bit behind accelarting from a stopped position,this split second can lead to trailing on getting back to check.. So not sure if KDvand Hawks scouts woukd be looking to Hage as a 3C with superior attack speed and creative ozone scoring and playmaker ability,OR more as another wing scoring threat with skating and good enough size at 6'0 190 to add to the winger mix competition.
Maybe they feel he can work on getting a better jump into acceleration from stopped startsand improve so tgat he can project as a Center?
Would be a competitor to Oliver Moore for 3C or for 3RW of which1vof them eventually is a winger.
.but Hage may have top 2 line winger (#1linevor #2line)ability whereas Moore likely would be a more defensive 3C or 3RW with 2 RW upside ...maybe...
In any case I think KD may have Hage in the target sights at #18..
The other target I like at#18 is Yegor Surin 6'1 .. 190...described by 1 scout as a heat-seeking missile... and one of the 2 best and most violent hitters in this draft ,he is not some slow slug goon with no skill...rather is very athletic,good skater,great shot ,very physical,energetic with good motor...a lot of good abilities we would want as a RW.... ...BUT the biggest concern agaibst him is discipline...gets too exuberant in rough physical play...getsvtoo many penalties...so this puts vhim down into round 2 on sone scouts rankings as too risky to hope he can tame his roughing and not go off the deep end as much....other scouts say they want such a physical feared intomidator and think they can work with him to use rough play more judiciously..
but since he also has skill and athleticism,skating and scoring skills,he brings enough to think that he will get even better with those skills.
In any case sonerankibgs have him going 29-23 range ...others later 20s ..
Others not till late 30s/ early40s...
But he is very very intriguing prospect and a very young player with an August birthdate...so lots of timevgrow bigger and improve his skill more but his whole set of skill and power. is very very interesting ..and I think we need more physical presence in our forward group..
I wonder what our Russian Scout thinks of his potential?
If he likes him so kich that he gets KD to agree then maybe he would be who we take at #18?
Ceiling is top 2 line winger or sonecskil might even have the skillet and ability to play Center.. the floor may be never makes it if he cannot curnbhis over-use of rough play hurting histeam with too much time in thep-box.
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dreadpirateroberts
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Watching the Memorial Cup Parek was taking massive hits in the game the other night
I had initial worries about him being a Boqvist and the inability to avoid contact on the forecheck is gonna get him injured a lot at the next level
Hawkaholic
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Yeah, that was happening vs. London too, in the OHL semi final.
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He's been doing this for about 20 years on hfboards. Every year, around draft time, a barrage of these long stream of consciousness posts. Not a single soul has ever read any of them in full, but we're all happy for him (or sorry that happened).
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I love Tkachuk - but he'll be 25 at the start of the season and he's under contract for 4 more years @ $8.2M per. If the Hawks were a little further along I would think he'd be a great add. I don't think at this point in time the Hawks are in a position to move multiple assets for him though.
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kp61c
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yes, levshunov and chernyshov would be ideal. even their names sounds the same
BobbyJet
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There is no apparent replacement for Seth but if Marner is available, and I doubt he is, his creativity would be most welcome for Hawks now and for years to come. Marner/Bedard/Hall would be quite a 1st line moving forward.
HawksDub89
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HawksDub89
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I can’t search for Demidov tidbits on Twitter/X without seeing the insufferable Montreal fans convincing themselves he’ll fall to 5.
That meltdown alone is enough reason to take him 2nd lol.
That meltdown alone is enough reason to take him 2nd lol.
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