Even with the Sabres and Senators sitting at the bottom of the standings I'd put both rebuilds ahead of Montreal and Detroit. Both Buffalo and Ottawa have more young talent, now it's moving the pieces around and adding the right veteran mix to finish the roster as well as changing the attitude, in Ottawa the coaching change should do that now it's Buffalo's turn.
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Sorry didn't try to put words in your mouth but more to say that I understand your position because what is going this season was hard to predict. It just doesn't make sense that the Sens are 11-17 and Habs are 15-13-5
I was talking about the Habs rebuild already breathing down our neck before the season and people were literally laughing at it but here we are today. What is alarming is they have Roy, Hutson, Reinbacher, Engstrom, Mailloux, Fowler, Beck, Mesar, Farrell, etc not on their team right now... and even Kirby Dach and Newhook... and Slafkovsky is only 19... and Caufield is not even scoring...
You might not like their rebuild, but from my unbiased perspective, they're in a much better spot now. I declared on the main boards after the 2020 draft that the Sens had one of the best hauls in NHL history and the best future in the NHL. But since then we kept going down and other teams kept going up. I call things like I see them
So, that's what happens after bleeding a lot for 4 straight seasons. This is the negative effect of keeping DJ Dorion that long, something I was worried about for years.
Sens are now in the same boat as Buffalo, never seem to be able to get out of their rebuild. Buffalo has a really good prospect pool though and Sens one of the worst... so they have a better chance to get out of their misery. Their good players are also younger in general
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Buffalo yes, Ottawa no. The sens literally have no prospects. There needed to be sustainable, theyre a small market team.. Dorion literally burned every single future this team has had since 2020. Including future picks like the 2026 second rounder and a first in the next 3 years with nothing to show for it. This team has nothing coming. It's actually insane. Complete fail, he has burned a decade. More than a quarter of this franchises existence. As bad as Milburry was he wasn't this bad.
We actually need them to finish bottom 3 then pray they win the lottery before having to go into another mini rebuild as half this core ages out.
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Yeah Montreal has definitely passed Ottawa. But maybe this year if the sens are bad enough they can get back on track. Another season of finishing 10th to 14th last and Ottawa is just delaying another tear down. I hope they lose every game the rest of the season except against Toronto, Montreal and Detroit. If there are any takers they should be moving out Kubalik and getting future assets for Tarasenko now. Taking chances on young cast offs. I'd like to see a commitment to tanking the rest of the year. One present Dorion left us is the worst goalie tandem in hockey so it won't be that hard.
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I think a lot of people don't realize how terribad Dorion's work has been. It's kinda hidden in the rebuild's context where it's EASY to sell assets for the best price you can get, draft high and cumulate picks as much as possible. People are just starting to notice recently because of the team results but that offseason before the 2020-21 was truly ALARMING. That was a clear sign that he had no idea what he was doing
But hey "let it go dude", it's not like we are stuck with the negative effects.
It's in Staios hands. He needs to be FLAWLESS for a while for us to get back in the race and start leapfrogging teams.
I think our goaltending will be fine once we play a team game at the NHL level.
Agreed on Kubalik and Tarasenko, I would sell them as fast as possible, they're a bit useless out there outside of when they score. Not the type of players we needed, like I was blablating about before the season. I'm always blablating by the way, until it becomes concrete.
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Maybe I’m guilty of wearing rose coloured glasses but this is what I see.
Centre depth with Stu, Norris, Pinto and Greig in our top 9. All very young and still lots of development.
Power forward - Brady
3 of our top 4 - Sanderson Zub and one of Chabot or Chychrun.
That’s the bones of the team.
We have a lot of needs but competent management has a ton to work with.
We have 3 picks in the top 45 which will begin to restock the pool.
Would it be wise to invest a high pick in a top-notch goaltending prosect to potentially secure the net in the next 6-7 years? Mandolese is going to be a fringe backup to career AHLer from what I've seen and not sold on Merilainen either.
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If we take our time and don't rush Sogaard again in the mess that it was under DJ Dorion, we might end up with a high end goalie. I have faith in Jacques Alfie, working on "reprogramming" these guys. Once we finally play "the right way", then bring in Sogaard
No, not wise... IF the pick succeed, some of the key players on this team will be in their 30's or late 20's. Look at the recent 1st round goalie prospects, none of them look close to make an impact.
Spencer Knight 13th OA in 2019
Yaroslav Askarov 11th OA in 2020
Sebastian Cossa 15th OA in 2021
Jesper Wallstedt 20th OA in 2021
Wallstedt would have been nice instead of Boucher though... I was saying don't draft a goalie at that spot but if I knew... I would have pushed for Wallstedt all the way
Sogaard and Merilainen are great goalie prospects, maybe even Reidler turns into something. Our system/roster construction was also pretty bad in the AHL, don't just look at goalie numbers, it has been basically impossible to put decent goalie numbers in the Sens organization for years, only Forsberg did it in 2021-22 because he played at a Vezina level.
Continue to draft some goalies later in the draft (1 per 2 drafts) and develop them and that's it. Even this year, Korpisalo and Forsberg have been doing much than what their numbers suggest, none were drafted by Ottawa. It's just very hard to allow less than 4 goals per game.
No, not wise... IF the pick succeed, some of the key players on this team will be in their 30's or late 20's. Look at the recent 1st round goalie prospects, none of them look close to make an impact.
Spencer Knight 13th OA in 2019
Yaroslav Askarov 11th OA in 2020
Sebastian Cossa 15th OA in 2021
Jesper Wallstedt 20th OA in 2021
Wallstedt would have been nice instead of Boucher though... I was saying don't draft a goalie at that spot but if I knew... I would have pushed for Wallstedt all the way
Sogaard and Merilainen are great goalie prospects, maybe even Reidler turns into something. Our system/roster construction was also pretty bad in the AHL, don't just look at goalie numbers, it has been basically impossible to put decent goalie numbers in the Sens organization for years, only Forsberg did it in 2021-22 because he played at a Vezina level.
Continue to draft some goalies later in the draft (1 per 2 drafts) and develop them and that's it. Even this year, Korpisalo and Forsberg have been doing much than what their numbers suggest, none were drafted by Ottawa. It's just very hard to allow less than 4 goals per game.
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There’s an Iginla in the top 10. Don’t care who else is on the board, I want Iginla even at #1 overall
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He just turned 23, was it obvious Gustavsson wasn't the guy the year prior when he had a similar season at a year older?
I actually thought it was obvious he was the guy in his first season in Ottawa. One of the many reasons I was upset with DJ back then.
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I’d be elated if we ended up with Jiricek! Just got injured at world juniors in 1.5 periods played but even in that little amount of time, you can see the high end talent that he possesses.
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We are currently 4th last in the standings. We could probably improve 2 or 3 slots, so that would give us the 6th or 7th overall pick IF that were to occur. Kind of hard to believe we'd still be picking that high given how many years we've been rebuilding.
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Any relation to the blue jackets prospect? I wanted that guy in his draft year.
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I hope they finish dead last tbh. Trading Korpisalo for Samsonov could help in that regard.
They should trade Tarasenko right now retain a bunch. Probably get a better return now than later.
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Dorion opted for some flashy trades versus trying to complete the rebuild in my mind. He was willing to sacrifice a 7th overall for a one-year rental and some here applauded the move thinking we were close to competing. We still need another top 4 RD and they are real tough to get unless you draft and develop one. I guess that's what you do though when you are trying to save your job.
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He's 21 years old. Goalie development timeliness are long. Most don't even make the league until the other side of 25.
If Dorion had any patience with Gustavsson they'd have a goalie. He's just so bad at evaluating pro talent goalies specifically that these mistakes set the team back years and years.
Yeah that was quite clearly not the time to do that. You don't trade the 7th overall pick when you've missed the playoffs for 5 straight years and just finished 7th last.
