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[Sens in Process]

Well you fill your boots with that. If it were me I would be 2nd guessing my strong stance on a player that 73% of the scouts polled like him least of the group

The consensus is often totally wrong and this was my broader point. Simashev was rated 19th overall on Bob's final list. Arizona took him at 6. It looks a damn fine pick in hindsight.

Are you suggesting Staios rip up his internal drat list and wait for the scout"s consensus represented in Bob's list? It would save a lot of money not running an entire draft department.

Pronman and McKenzie are the best resources for approximating what GMs are collectively thinking. Both had NHL scouts rating Yakemchuk in the top 5. Should these scouts be immediately be fired for daring to go against the grain?

Bob's list is survey that aggregates opinion and gives us a baseline to work with in understanding the dynamics of the draft, but underneath each ranking is a lot of variability.

I have always had a low opinion of Wheeler. I said earlier in the thread. I view him along the Cam Robinson's of the world.

I personally don't think it would be surprising if Yakemchuk goes before Dickinson or Parekh.

But we entering the final stages before the draft- the players have been picked apart in everyway.

Give me Yak or Sennecke all the way

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Very interesting lol. So iginla and lindstrom may slip past them

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

The consensus is often totally wrong and this was my broader point. Simashev was rated 19th overall on Bob's final list. Arizona took him at 6. It looks a damn fine pick in hindsight.

Are you suggesting Staios rip up his internal drat list and wait for the scout"s consensus represented in Bob's list? It would save a lot of money not running an entire draft department.

Pronman and McKenzie are the best resources for approximating what GMs are collectively thinking. Both had NHL scouts rating Yakemchuk in the top 5. Should these scouts be immediately be fired for daring to go against the grain?

Bob's list is survey that aggregates opinion and gives us a baseline to work with in understanding the dynamics of the draft, but underneath each ranking is a lot of variability.

I have always had a low opinion of Wheeler. I said earlier in the thread. I view him along the Cam Robinson's of the world.

I personally don't think it would be surprising if Yakemchuk goes before Dickinson or Parekh.

But we entering the final stages before the draft- the players have been picked apart in everyway.

Give me Yak or Sennecke all the way

Sennecke I really like . All it takes is the one team that likes him for him to go ahead... I think overall the odds would be lower. Pronman is far from the best resource. Look at the table I posted and look at the Evaluating drafts post much earlier in this thread ... Pronman isn't close with his rankings. Not sure where you get that eval from. Again predicting the draft is not really what its about; that is a Mock Draft it is evaluating the draft rankings 3,4,5 years out.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

What's the knock on Lindstrom, his skating?

 

[Icelevel]

What's the knock on Lindstrom, his skating?

His back

 

[BondraTime]

What's the knock on Lindstrom, his skating?

Health and IQ. His skating is fantastic.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

What's the knock on Lindstrom, his skating?

Definitely not his skating.. The only concern is he had a back injury which has been reported as a herniated disc .. but that may or may not be a real concern.,

 

[BondraTime]

Craig’s List: Tij Iginla, Cole Eiserman rise in final ranking | TSN

The rise of Kelowna Rockets star Tij Iginla this season has been remarkable in the eyes of TSN Director of Scouting Craig Button.

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Iginla and Eiserman in the top 5.

Definitely against the grain, as is the usual with Button.


Not high on the D with Parekh 7, Levshunov 8, Dickinson 10, Siliyev 12 and Yakemchuk 15.

 

[BondraTime]

Boyd was on 1200 this morning and said that there is always a premium on RD, but they won't be taling someone at 7th overall that they have lower, 15th being the pick he used, just because they are a right shot D. They will be going BPA according to their rankings

That's encouraging to hear

 

[Cosmix]

Craig’s List: Tij Iginla, Cole Eiserman rise in final ranking | TSN

The rise of Kelowna Rockets star Tij Iginla this season has been remarkable in the eyes of TSN Director of Scouting Craig Button.

www.tsn.ca

Iginla and Eiserman in the top 5.

Definitely against the grain, as is the usual with Button.


Not high on the D with Parekh 7, Levshunov 8, Dickinson 10, Siliyev 12 and Yakemchuk 15.

It will be interesting to compare lists, particularly McKenzie's and Button's, after the draft.

 

[HSF]

Parekh and Catton seem like two guys who fans look back on and ask why they didnt go higher (unless they go top 5)

If someone obvious doesn't fall then Parekh is my pick. RD with that level of talent....his potential is unreal

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

It will be interesting to compare lists, particularly McKenzie's and Button's, after the draft.

Button put out a mock draft recently. It is in this thread a couple pages back. This latest Bondra posted list is who he projects to be the better players 4-5 years from now.
McKenzie's list will be closer to the actual draft because it is based on how teams lists look in advance of the draft.

I found it.

Canadian NHL teams in the spotlight in Craig Button's latest mock draft | TSN

With his latest mock draft complete, TSN’s Director of Scouting wants to hear from you. Who do you want your favourite Canadian NHL team to select with their 2024 first-round picks?

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You can see how different his mock draft is from his rankings.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Can someone explain why they would take Dickinson ahead of Silayev?

I like Dickenson but doesn’t Silayev kind of do everything Dickinson can do but also he’s way bigger?
I don’t think either of them will be relied on for a lot of offence.

 

[talightf52]

Would love to see the Sens nab Ilya Nabokov. Could potentially pan out and be our Shesterkin/Sorokin. Anyone with any insight?

 

[Golden_Jet]

Dickinson is still 17 and he is a maxed out athelete ... Wowza smokin hot take.

Also some nice cherry picking to fit your narrative.
17 NHL Scout opinions . Not HF Scouts .. NHL Scouts

1. Best Silayev/Levshunov Least Yakemchuk
2. No Best /Least
3. Best Levshunov, Least Yakemchuk
4. Best Parekh, Least Yakemchuk
5. No Best/Least
6. Best Levshunov, Least Yakemchuk
7. Best Levshunov, Least Yakemchuk in a bottom tier by himself
8. Best Parekh, Least Yakemchuk
9. Best Silayev, Least Dickinson
10. Best Parekh/Silayev Least Dickinson
11. No Best/Least
12. No Best/Least
13. Best Levshunov, Least Yakemchuk
14. No Best/Least
15. No Best/Least
16. Best Dickinson, Least Yakemchuk
17. Best Levshunov, Least Dickinson

11 Scouts offered Best /Least opinions

8/11 had Yakemchuk Least, (73%)
3/11 had Dickinson Least ( 27%)

0/11 had Yakemchuk Best (0%)
1/11 had Dickinson Best (9%)
3/11 had Silayev Best (27%)
3/11 had Parekh Best (27%)
6/11 has Levshunov Best (55%)


Look at the success 3,4,5 years out not at the actual draft, HockeyProspect's success rate is higher than most., There is a post in this thread on exactly that. I ran across another one recently they were high on as well. They are very well respected in that regard. The book on Last years draft has not really started yet for most of the prospects

As far as the Draft goes over the past 5 years . Bob wins.
If you look at the top 10 .. A few have over 8 .. HP has 8
Top 15 HP has 12 ; 2 have more
Top 20 HP has 16.6 1 has more (Bob)
Players ranked in the top 20 slipping to the 2nd round,
HP has 2 , Bob has 2 everyone else has more.. Pronman has 12.

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The Draft ranking success shown here and the success they have looking back 3.4,5 years put Hockey Prospect as one of the best. I don't always agree with them on individual players but they put way more into it than I do and they have conversations with other scouts and NHL scouts as well. So I am in no position to argue with them.

So for the top 10, hockey prospects came in fifth of the 8.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

So for the top 10, hockey prospects came in fifth of the 8.

incredible

 

[Sens in Process]

Sennecke I really like . All it takes is the one team that likes him for him to go ahead... I think overall the odds would be lower. Pronman is far from the best resource. Look at the table I posted and look at the Evaluating drafts post much earlier in this thread ... Pronman isn't close with his rankings. Not sure where you get that eval from. Again predicting the draft is not really what its about; that is a Mock Draft it is evaluating the draft rankings 3,4,5 years out.

Because your table is flawed, there has been some significant personnel changes at many of the organizations you cited. Look at FC! It is like drawing straight continuum through different management regimes within a single team. For instance, conflating the very different drafting styles of Bob Murray and Pat Verbeek. Yes they led the same organization but their staffs were radically different.
This isn't about Pronman's personal record of prediction. It is his final mock drafts , when he projects what he thinks teams will do, which makes him a valuable resource. They have been quite accurate. Look at his 2013 final mock. He even has Arizona picking Simashev, just with the wrong pick:

2023 NHL Mock Draft: After Connor Bedard goes No. 1, Corey Pronman sees room for surprise

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Because your table is flawed, there has been some significant personnel changes at many of the organizations you cited. Look at FC! It is like drawing straight continuum through different management regimes within a single team. For instance, conflating the very different drafting styles of Bob Murray and Pat Verbeek. Yes they led the same organization but their staffs were radically different.
This isn't about Pronman's personal record of prediction. It is his final mock drafts , when he projects what he thinks teams will do, which makes him a valuable resource. They have been quite accurate. Look at his 2013 final mock. He even has Arizona picking Simashev, just with the wrong pick:

2023 NHL Mock Draft: After Connor Bedard goes No. 1, Corey Pronman sees room for surprise

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[Hale The Villain]

Can someone explain why they would take Dickinson ahead of Silayev?

I like Dickenson but doesn’t Silayev kind of do everything Dickinson can do but also he’s way bigger?
I don’t think either of them will be relied on for a lot of offence.

Silayev really doesn't have any offense whatsoever in his game right now, while Dickinson is a two-way D.

Part of that obviously has to do with Silayev playing in the KHL against men in a shutdown role, but his offensive skillset is behind Dickinson at this point.

 

[Sens in Process]

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It is more than ok.He nailed the the first 12 picks almost perfectly, including many of the key surprises. I didn't like Pronman either. But recently, he has been money when making educated guesses

 

[JaredCowen4Norris]

Can someone explain why they would take Dickinson ahead of Silayev?

I like Dickenson but doesn’t Silayev kind of do everything Dickinson can do but also he’s way bigger?
I don’t think either of them will be relied on for a lot of offence.

I think the Russian factor is the only thing teams might hesitate on. I also think Silayev comes with a little more risk as he's been doing well on the larger ice surface, but the transition to NA rinks might be hard for a bigger player like Silayev.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

It is more than ok.He nailed the the first 12 picks almost perfectly, including many of the key surprises. I didn't like Pronman either. But recently, he has been money when making educated guesses

Ok here I was thinking we were talking about rankings... not mock drafts.

No one is measuring Mock Drafts in what I had posted with links to sources on how successful the various ranking sources have been .. IF he is good at Mock Drafts great. I never commented on them.

This is based on rankings not mock drafts


Below is done looking at how players actually performed at least 4 years later from the rankings in those years

Incidently I have never seen a Bob McKenzie or HockeyProspect or FCHockey or McKeens Mock draft ... doesn't mean they don't exist just I can't recall seeing one. There are plenty out there though

 

[Ouroboros]

New Pronman mock just dropped...

7. Ottawa Senators: Beckett Sennecke, RW, Oshawa (OHL)

I think most expect Ottawa to take a defenseman at No. 7 such as Buium, Dickinson or Yakemchuk, but Sennecke’s stock is on a rocket ship right now in the league, and I think they would be hard-pressed to pass on him here given how dynamic a talent he is.

25. Ottawa Senators: Eric (EJ) Emery, D, USA U-18 (NTDP)

Emery probably starts getting talked about at this range. Teams don’t see much offense in his game, but he’s a high-end athlete who competes and has the look of a future NHL defenseman. He would fit in nicely with what Ottawa needs.

You love to see it.

 

[Icelevel]

New Pronman mock just dropped...




You love to see it.

Wouldn’t complain
I don’t know about passing on dickinson there although Sennecke is easier to predict than dickinson I think.

 

[Micklebot]

New Pronman mock just dropped...




You love to see it.

I mean, I'd be happy with that depending on who else was available at 7