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Senator Stanley said:
He's also an average-sized skilled winger, and historically we (during the Murray/Dorion era) never draft the skilled winger. Not saying he won't be the pick, but at the most basic level he isn't what our scouts typically look for.
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That's like 18 years of the same drafting philosophy. Crazy stuff!
 
Micklebot said:
I don't think anybody has suggested we draft someone outside of the guys MacKenzie had in his top 15, so it's definitely not a boucher situation.

I do think some people are talking about drafting for need though, which imo is a mistake. In three years, we may need to replace Chabot, we may need to replace Batherson, we may have signed and traded for a trifecta of RHD signed to long term deals. The top of the draft isn't the time to look at needs.

All that said, there are players in every position that are options for 7OA, Lindstrom, Sennecke, Iginla and Catton are all perfectly acceptable options up front, Yakemchuk and Perekh are solid options at RD, Dickenson, Buium and Silayev are all great LHD prospects that could be available. I'm probably forgetting some guys too.

I'm ok with liking a guy like Yakemchuk over Buium or Dickenson because you think he has the better future, I just don't like the idea of passing on a guy you think will probably be better because RD is a current need.
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I agree with that. I think you would also agree that it is possible for someone to legitimately like Yak over the available LD, regardless of handedness. Apparently there are some teams that do.

It may turn out to be the wrong opinion and maybe the allure of a big, skilled RD inflated his draft stock and all the concerns about Yak's hockey sense will be validated in the upcoming years.

This is what makes draft talk so intriguing.
 
DJB said:
I agree on what youre saying here but its tough to find a player that checks every single box all the time and is available at our pick.

Im definately curious to see what who we select though!
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I think someone on the team mentioned we were targeting character, size and speed, or something to that effect.
 
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Sens in Process said:
I agree with that. I think you would also agree that it is possible for someone to legitimately like Yak over the available LD, regardless of handedness. Apparently there are some teams that do.

It may turn out to be the wrong opinion and maybe the allure of a big, skilled RD inflated his draft stock and all the concerns about Yak's hockey sense will be validated in the upcoming years.

This is what makes draft talk so intriguing.
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Absolutely, he's a good prospect, the reality is that more often than not, 5 years down the road a re-draft exercise ends up with a fairly different order than what actually happened, there are no definitive right answers for who will be the BPA, only time will tell.
 
Some draft odds came out today on Draft Kings.

Buium set at O/U 7.5, Vegas as an expected under

Parekh set at O/U 8.5, Vegas has an expected under which I find tempting

Catton set at O/U 9.5, Vegas has an expected over

Sennecke set at O/U 11.5, Vegas has an expected under

Helenius set at O/U 12.5, Vegas has an expected under

Brandsegg-Nygard set at O/U 15.5, Vegas has an expected under

Boisvert set at O/U 25.5, Vegas has an expected under

Chernyshov set at O/U 20.5, Vegas has an expected under


Seems for an early release some Vegas Sportsbooks have their "expected" draft order as

1. Celebrini
2-6. Likely Demidov, Saliyev, Levshunov, Dickinson, Lindstrom
7. Buium.
8. Parekh
9. Catton
10. Likely Iginla/Yakemchuk
11. Sennecke
12. Helenius
13. Likely Iginla/Yakemchuk
 
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Over on Parekh and smash the under on Helenius seem like good bets to me.
 
BondraTime said:
Some draft odds came out today on Draft Kings.

Buium set at O/U 7.5, Vegas as an expected under

Parekh set at O/U 8.5, Vegas has an expected under which I find tempting

Catton set at O/U 9.5, Vegas has an expected over

Sennecke set at O/U 11.5, Vegas has an expected under

Helenius set at O/U 12.5, Vegas has an expected under

Brandsegg-Nygard set at O/U 15.5, Vegas has an expected under

Boisvert set at O/U 25.5, Vegas has an expected under

Chernyshov set at O/U 20.5, Vegas has an expected under


Seems for an early release some Vegas Sportsbooks have their "expected" draft order as

1. Celebrini
2-6. Likely Demidov, Saliyev, Levshunov, Dickinson, Lindstrom
7. Buium.
8. Parekh
9. Catton
10. Likely Iginla/Yakemchuk
11. Sennecke
12. Helenius
13. Likely Iginla/Yakemchuk
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how accurate has vegas odds historically been?
 
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Micklebot said:
how accurate has vegas odds historically been?
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Accurate the closer you get to the draft, but every year the misvalue guys who are without a doubt going to go higher.

The earlier you place a bet the better I've found over the past while.

2022 was an extremely strong betting year with their rankings, they did a pretty poor job with some guys; all of Mintyukov, Kaspar and Korchinski were given extremely generous starting points that were essentially shoe-insh with everything we knew heading into the draft. Odds were not great, but winning was essentially guarenteed.

The same O/U for Korchinski 2 weeks earlier were +130 for the under, the line comppletely tanked days before the draft

July 4th, 2022
[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]Conor Geekie[/TD]
[TD]Over 11.5 (-330)[/TD]
[TD]Under 11.5 (+250)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Cutter Gauthier[/TD]
[TD]Over 6.5 (+230)[/TD]
[TD]Under 6.5 (-300)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]David Jiricek[/TD]
[TD]Over 5.5 (+145)[/TD]
[TD]Under 5.5 (-175)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Joakim Kemell[/TD]
[TD]Over 7.5 (-230)[/TD]
[TD]Under 7.5 (+185)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Kevin Korchinski[/TD]
[TD]Over 11.5 (+125)[/TD]
[TD]Under 11.5 (-155)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Marco Kasper[/TD]
[TD]Over 12.5 (+195)[/TD]
[TD]Under 12.5 (-240)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Matthew Savoie[/TD]
[TD]Over 8.5 (-115)[/TD]
[TD]Under 8.5 (-115)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pavel Mintyukov[/TD]
[TD]Over 12.5 (-115)[/TD]
[TD]Under 12.5 (-115)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Simon Nemec[/TD]
[TD]Over 4.5 (+175)[/TD]
[TD]Under 4.5 (-220)[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
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BondraTime said:
Some draft odds came out today on Draft Kings.

Buium set at O/U 7.5, Vegas as an expected under

Parekh set at O/U 8.5, Vegas has an expected under which I find tempting

Catton set at O/U 9.5, Vegas has an expected over

Sennecke set at O/U 11.5, Vegas has an expected under

Helenius set at O/U 12.5, Vegas has an expected under

Brandsegg-Nygard set at O/U 15.5, Vegas has an expected under

Boisvert set at O/U 25.5, Vegas has an expected under

Chernyshov set at O/U 20.5, Vegas has an expected under


Seems for an early release some Vegas Sportsbooks have their "expected" draft order as

1. Celebrini
2-6. Likely Demidov, Saliyev, Levshunov, Dickinson, Lindstrom
7. Buium.
8. Parekh
9. Catton
10. Likely Iginla/Yakemchuk
11. Sennecke
12. Helenius
13. Likely Iginla/Yakemchuk
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Sennecke and iginla easy hammers there
 
BondraTime said:
Some draft odds came out today on Draft Kings.

Buium set at O/U 7.5, Vegas as an expected under

Parekh set at O/U 8.5, Vegas has an expected under which I find tempting

Catton set at O/U 9.5, Vegas has an expected over

Sennecke set at O/U 11.5, Vegas has an expected under

Helenius set at O/U 12.5, Vegas has an expected under

Brandsegg-Nygard set at O/U 15.5, Vegas has an expected under

Boisvert set at O/U 25.5, Vegas has an expected under

Chernyshov set at O/U 20.5, Vegas has an expected under


Seems for an early release some Vegas Sportsbooks have their "expected" draft order as

1. Celebrini
2-6. Likely Demidov, Saliyev, Levshunov, Dickinson, Lindstrom
7. Buium.
8. Parekh
9. Catton
10. Likely Iginla/Yakemchuk
11. Sennecke
12. Helenius
13. Likely Iginla/Yakemchuk
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They allow bets on the entry draft? That's nuts. Do pro scouts make enough not to be tempted to have a buddy or two place bets for them?
 
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coladin said:
I like Catton a lot. I would take him and then find a D with the later pick
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He seems like the Lucas Raymond of this draft. I could certainly get behind the pick, but I would prefer to get a guy with more size and physicality to their game.
 
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coladin said:
I like Catton a lot. I would take him and then find a D with the later pick
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A little bigger than I thought, saw this on Habs draft talk from the combine
Catton at 5.10 3/4 175

Some reason I though he has one of the generous 5’10 160 guys lol
 
Wondercarrot said:
A little bigger than I thought, saw this on Habs draft talk from the combine
Catton at 5.10 3/4 175

Some reason I though he has one of the generous 5’10 160 guys lol
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Question becomes how much strength do the trainers think he can realistically put on his frame, but it's nice to know he's not sub 5'10".

Morgan Frost measured 5'10.75" and 172.96 at his combine, and is now listed by the Flyers at 6'0" and 193. Brazil measured 5'11.25", 175 and is now listed at 6'1" and 190. Sebastian Aho measured 5'11.25" and 172 and is now listed at 6'0" and only 176.

He should end up playing bigger than guys like Keller (5'10", 163 at his combine; now 5'10" 178) or Jarvis (no combine, but 5'10" 175 now), and is bigger than a guy like Benson (5'9.75" 170 at combine) or Rossi.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1799098354225566155
 
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