But HE made the comment that this was discussed here 2 years ago!?!?! lol
How the hell was I supposed to know that you guys discussed 2 years ago, an event that happened 24hrs ago!?!?!
It doesn't even make sense lol
I do find it fascinating though that 2 years ago, you and others were in this thread, discussing that 2 years later, in July 2024, Enzo Fernandez and the Argentina Team would release a song poking fun of French players and their African descent after winning the Copa America.
Twilight zone up in here, I should visit more often.
Go Blues! lol
See, now you're talking in circles. If you're only discussing this exact occurrence, then you were wholly off topic bringing up Argentinian race relations. But you claimed to be providing context, which implies something broader than an exact event - namely you claimed to be providing key information regarding Argentinian race relations, which you certainly can understand being capable of being discussed two years ago, because, as you so capably explained, it's been going on for decades.
In other words, the context you've so helpfully provided was already discussed, you just weren't around to see it, which is likely why you didn't understand why it wasn't being discussed. It's the same way we don't need to describe the sport, because those who post here already understand that context.
Once again, to try to dumb it down for you, we did not discuss the exact event two years ago - I'm not sure how you even understood that from my post, unless you're intentionally misreading it; rather, we have already, here in this subforum, discussed issues of racism. Does that make sense or do I need to dumb it down even more? I'm happy to.
By the way, no one expects you to understand what happened here a couple years ago - that's why someone tried to tell you what happened then! But at the same time, if you show up and don't know what's happened in the past, claiming that someone is passing through when they've been here to understand and try to pass along the "institutional" knowledge (in quotes, because I think you'd be hard pressed to describe HFSoccer as an "institution"), when you yourself don't understand such knowledge is rather ironic. It's ironic because you'd expect the person criticizing someone for passing through to be the mainstay and the person so criticized to be the poster who hasn't been seen here before, but you subverted that expectation by doing the exact opposite. See how easy irony is to explain when you understand it?
I was responding to a SPECIFIC poster, who made a SPECIFIC post.
If my "pontificating" didn't apply to you, then why do you feel like I was talking about you??
I didn't think you were talking about me, specifically, nor did I ever imply otherwise.
Additionally, no one actually said you shouldn't be upset, what I said was that if THAT gets you upset and not more actual life impacting events like say, I don't know...ethnic cleansing, then you're just virtue signalling. You actually don't care about racism, you care about the illusion of caring about it.
Right, but it would be out of place to just constantly discuss Argentinian race relations in a subforum dedicated to soccer unless and until it became relevant to that topic. wouldn't you agree?
Not "people"...again.
I responded to a SPECIFIC poster who made a SPECIFIC post.
Got it. So to be clear, if anyone else other than said poster had said it, you wouldn't have responded the same way? Or is the issue the contents of the post, regardless of who posted it, which therefore means it isn't limited to a specific poster, and thus the term "people" applies? If you're going to try to play the semantic game, at least be good at it.
I couldn't give a damn about this chant, but conversely, since you asked is every individual in a country inherently guilty of their country's worst actions, is Enzo Fernandez and his teammates racist because they sang a song where they pointed out that some players on the French National team have parents who are born in African countries?
Got it, you don't care about this chant, so you decided to spend your afternoon posting on a subforum you don't post on about it because of how much you don't care. I notice you didn't answer my question, by the way. You implied that no one should be surprised by Enzo leading a racist chant because he's Argentinian. Again I ask, is your stance that you can impute an individual's beliefs simply because of that person's nationality? As for your question, yes, I think if someone chants racist/xenophobic words and is willing to record and share said chant, that person (and those participating in the chant) likely hold racist beliefs, even if they are unaware of the import of those actions. The kicker is that they can't claim ignorance this time, because it wasn't the first time this happened.
Hmmm...there's that irony again lol
Not really ironic at all. One is imputing an individual's actions to that person and the other is imputing the actions of a nation-state to an individual of that nationality. There's no subversion of expectations in that stance. But I guess given that you pretty clearly stated that you can't explain irony, I shouldn't be surprised that you misapply the word.