Prospect Info: [2024 - 5th] Ivan Motherbleeping Demidov (RW), SKA St. Petersburg (MHL)

[Estimated_Prophet]

Not only being a PPG player but already very in other aspect of the game like defensively, winning pick battle and even on the FO.

Nothing against Demidov who will be very good but Celebrini is probably a futur top 5 player in the league

Agreed but it should not be overlooked that Demidov has a huge compete level as well and shares many of Celebrini's traits. Celebrini gets the decided edge because he is going to be an elite #1 center whereas Demidov is likely a winger but he has shown some ability to play center.

I think Demidov is a 1st OA quality prospect but I agree with you that Celebrini is just too good and too much of a sure thing.

 

[crosbyshow]

This debate is stupid. Let's wait until both are in the NHL. Demidov is not playing here because of contract, not because he can't make the team.

It is not stupid. It is the beauty of sport to have debate between athelete.

For examole...We debate Gretzky vs Mcdavid or James vs Jordan., Messi vs Pele etc etc.....in a way those debatrs are even more stupid cause they were even not in the same era.

It is not because Demidov did not played a single game yet that we caonnot compare him with anyone in the NHL.

The dude is 19 years old and he would be in the NHL without jus Russian contract.

 

[Zine]

He wanted to only go to the Flyers and many articles came out about it recently.

According to his agent his optimal destination was Philadelphia, but he would've played elsewhere sans Arizona.

 

[Guy Larose]

It is not stupid. It is the beauty of sport to have debate between athelete.

For examole...We debate Gretzky vs Mcdavid or James vs Jordan., Messi vs Pele etc etc.....in a way those debatrs are even more stupid cause they were even not in the same era.

It is not because Demidov did not played a single game yet that we caonnot compare him with anyone in the NHL.

The dude is 19 years old and he would be in the NHL without jus Russian contract.

We're talking about 2 players in the same era in which one was able to play in the NHL and the other can't because of a contract. In what world can we say who is better at this point.... especially that this is year 1. Makes absolutely 0 sense.

According to his agent his optimal destination was Philadelphia, but he would've played elsewhere sans Arizona.

Recent reports say otherwise.

 

[crosbyshow]

Anytime and would even add

Nothing against Demidov, but Celebrini is already a star and will probably be a top 5 player in the league. A real complete #1 center that you can build around. No executive would take Demidov before him

I like yout comment.

In fact I agree with that 99% of the time.

I always said that I take Crosby any day of the week before Ovechkin.

But...

Still..today...I saw Prime's Jagr with Pittsburgh and I am on the fence between him and Sid.

As I wrote yesterday I see Celebrini like a mix of Bergeron and Crosby...

..and Demidov like a mix of Jagr, Kane, Kucherov...he has a bit of all those great wingers..

I choose Celebrini but I think that they will be very close of each other for the next 15 years....and I am thinking that since at least 1 1/2 year ..so before their draft

 

[Zine]

Recent reports say otherwise.

Recent reports don't have a source, just hearsay.

 

[crosbyshow]

We're talking about 2 players in the same era in which one was able to play in the NHL and the other can't because of a contract. In what world can we say who is better at this point.... especially that this is year 1. Makes absolutely 0 sense.


Recent reports say otherwise.

We can't say that he is better but we can try to do some projections... it is the beauty of sports.

I can project with 100% confidence that Demidov will be better than Benoît Brunet..lol ..even if one played for years and the other played not a single game.
I am kidding but you know what I am.trying to explain.

Those debates are old like the world..Remember 16 years old Crosby vs Gretzky ?

Or 17 years old Mcdavid vs Crosby

I prefer the debate between Demidov vs Celebrini than Demidov vs Michkov

 

[HabbyGuy]

I would kill for Celebrini to be a hab, but I wouldn't trade Demidov to do it. Not because I feel one is better than the other but rather to have both play together.

Celebrini is an absolute stud but Demidov was made for this market. Even if both were here and both went on to HOF careers, I still think Demidov would be the more beloved amongst this fanbase.

It's just the style in which he plays.

 

[Guy Larose]

Recent reports don't have a source, just hearsay.

Show me where his agent said that...I'll wait.

 

[salbutera]

 

[Kennerback]

Demidov is working too hard now.

 

[Zine]

Show me where his agent said that...I'll wait.

He said the Michkov camp held special and extensive meetings with Philadelphia, everything fell into place with them.
But the only teams he refused to play for was Arizona and Washington.

The agent even said Michkov inteviewed with Anaheim. Anaheim was extremely close to picking him.

Straight from the source's mouth. No 'secret' sources from journalists looking for clicks.
It begins around 46.45

 

[Sorinth]

He said the Michkov camp held special and extensive meetings with Philadelphia, everything fell into place with them.
But the only teams he refused to play for was Arizona and Washington.

The agent even said Michkov inteviewed with Anaheim. Anaheim was extremely close to picking him.

Straight from the source's mouth. No 'secret' sources from journalists looking for clicks.
It begins around 46.45

Which doesn't mean he wasn't telling teams that he was going to stay in Russia for many years and then hit the UFA route ASAP. If that's what he told the Habs then they had no reason to pick him even if he technically wasn't refusing to play for them outright.

 

[Zine]

Which doesn't mean he wasn't telling teams that he was going to stay in Russia for many years and then hit the UFA route ASAP. If that's what he told the Habs then they had no reason to pick him even if he technically wasn't refusing to play for them outright.

Right, but that's still a hypothetical scenario to justify why the Habs didn't pick Michkov. It's not based in concrete nor verifiable information.

Anyways we're getting way off topic here.

Back to Demidov.

 

[Sorinth]

Right, but that's still a hypothetical scenario to justify why the Habs didn't pick Michkov. It's not based in concrete nor verifiable information.

Anyways we're getting way off topic here.

Back to Demidov.

I mean if going by concrete/verifiable information then honestly his agent isn't a good source either since there's a clear incentive for them not to be 100% truthful and forthright when it comes to anything that makes their client look bad.

 

[Goldthorpe]

Demidov is working too hard now.

Overtraining happens with young athletes, it's not that far off.

 

[Kennerback]

Overtraining happens with young athletes, it's not that far off.

Could it be Slaf’s problem? Looking for solutions…

 

[Doublechin]

Could it be Slaf’s problem? Looking for solutions…

Nah

That's IQ and skill

 

[Habano]

Anytime and would even add

Nothing against Demidov, but Celebrini is already a star and will probably be a top 5 player in the league. A real complete #1 center that you can build around. No executive would take Demidov before him

We'll see ow this post ages

 

[dcyhabs]

It’s like you don’t recognize that he’s doing things that have never been seen in a D+1 season anywhere ever perhaps because it’s in the KHL. 2024 is probably Lafleur and Dionne all over again. Now I totally understand you prefer Celebrini to Demidov, that’s your assertive « anytime ». Most people in the hockey world agree with you.

But we drafted Demidov. We have investment in him. Habs fans have investment in him. It’s like taking away #1OA Guy Lafleur and giving them #2 Marcel Dionne who ended up being just as good. We probably would have won as many Cups with Dionne but he wasn’t our guy.

But you want to « add ». You add 1st picks and top prospects in a trade of this magnitude. We’re talking Forsberg++ for Lindros. I think you’ll come to regret it probably like the Flyers regretted not having the Avs’ Cups.

Dionne’s attitude might have prevented that, not that Lafleur didn’t have issues.

It’s pretty tough to compare players in different leagues. The habs could not draft Celebrini, and Demidov looks like an smazing 5OA pick. We’ll see who ends up better, but I doubt anyone will regret the habs pick.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

He wanted to only go to the Flyers and many articles came out about it recently.

Link?

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

We're talking about 2 players in the same era in which one was able to play in the NHL and the other can't because of a contract. In what world can we say who is better at this point.... especially that this is year 1. Makes absolutely 0 sense.


Recent reports say otherwise.

Where are these recent reports?

 

[Jabba11]

I know this is a forum, but I really don't understand why there should be any comparison between Demidov vs Michkov/Celebrini. So be it, why not compare him to Jack Hughes and Connor McDavid too.

I get it, Michkov was SKA and we passed on him. I get it, Celebrini is same draft.

But what's most important:

1) We skipped on Michkov for a RD. Although he is very talented, Michkov has skating flaws and is not as dynamic as Demidov. Demidov is a complete different player than Michkov. How about we go on with our day and just enjoy Demidov's progression. I don't care if he breaks any records or stats or does better than Michkov in the KHL, what's important is that he does better than Michkov in the NHL. Period.

2) As for Celebrini, he went #1 and we were picking 5th. Let's end the debate and hypothetical question: Montreal would have never picked Demidov over Celebrini at #1. But guess what, we got a freaking steal at #5. Celebrini is trending towards becoming a very dependable skilled center while Demidov will hope to become our franchise's best player period.

My question to ya'll, why can't we just discussed about who compares well to Demidov that's established or who played before. That's even better. We all the now the Kaprizov comparison which I think can be more towards their similar edge skating. As for Kucherov, I feel that Demidov is more dynamic but his hands and vision are nowhere closed to Kucherov. I do see some Marner in Demidov.

 

[Zine]

I mean if going by concrete/verifiable information then honestly his agent isn't a good source either since there's a clear incentive for them not to be 100% truthful and forthright when it comes to anything that makes their client look bad.

That doesn't pass the smell test because his agent fully admitted Michkov wouldn't play for certain teams.
He would not have publicly said as such if his objective was to make Michkov look squeaky clean at all costs.

 

[the valiant effort]

SMUGGLE HIM OUT. NOW