Prospect Info: [2024 - 5th] Ivan Motherbleeping Demidov (RW), SKA St. Petersburg (MHL)

[1909]

They let Michkov go with 2 years left on a valid KHL contract.

That’s another story. Why did St-Petersburg sent him to Sotchi for two seasons ? Why have they tear his valid contract ? For human reasons ? Since when Russians care about that ? Philly have found a way to pay for him… Bitcoins ???

 

[WeThreeKings]

That’s another story. Why did St-Petersburg sent him to Sotchi for two seasons ? Why have they tear his valid contract ? For human reasons ? Since when Russians care about that ? Philly have found a way to pay for him… Bitcoins ???

All I'm saying is they didn't have to do anything shady to keep Michkov in Russia, they legally had him for 2 more years and he left early. I don't think there's anything they can do for Demidov to stay and if Philly could do something underhanded we could too

 

[HuGort]

Demidov +16, for 2nd best in league. Has 4.54 points P/60. For best in league. Defensively he is good also. On ice for 1.71 goals against P/60. Team average is 2.72 P/60. So he is better defensively than rest of team.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

That’s another story. Why did St-Petersburg sent him to Sotchi for two seasons ? Why have they tear his valid contract ? For human reasons ? Since when Russians care about that ? Philly have found a way to pay for him… Bitcoins ???

Stop it with the ridiculous tribal dehumanizing. By doing that, you're just showing you're just as bad as how you try to paint them.

The average Russian is just as normal and human as Westerners. Empathy and prosociality are universals, just as much as violence and competition, or evenmore so.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Demidov +16, for 2nd best in league. Has 4.54 points P/60. For best in league. Defensively he is good also. On ice for 1.71 goals against P/60. Team average is 2.72 P/60. So he is better defensively than rest of team.

No, he's being sheltered and used as exploitation, which is normal for a talented rookie, and the +16 shows he's doing great in that role, but not that he's the best defensive forward. His stats are great and bode well for the future, but doesn't change the fact those stats scream exploitation time.

 

[ReHabs]

That’s another story. Why did St-Petersburg sent him to Sotchi for two seasons ? Why have they tear his valid contract ? For human reasons ? Since when Russians care about that ? Philly have found a way to pay for him… Bitcoins ???

I actually am convinced it was for 'human reasons' actually. They could've jerked him around because they didn't want to keep him with SKA (Rotenberg doesn't rate him, he prefers bigger players) but they let him try to make the Flyers roster because there was no upside to keeping him to his KHL contract.

Oliver Kapanen's parent club in Finland did the same thing btw.

Not sure why you think Russian people are incapable of doing favours or being normal people with normal people feelings. Will you be so cruel and racist toward Demidov?

 

[Tyson]

I actually am convinced it was for 'human reasons' actually. They could've jerked him around because they didn't want to keep him with SKA (Rotenberg doesn't rate him, he prefers bigger players) but they let him try to make the Flyers roster because there was no upside to keeping him to his KHL contract.

Oliver Kapanen's parent club in Finland did the same thing btw.

Not sure why you think Russian people are incapable of doing favours or being normal people with normal people feelings. Will you be so cruel and racist toward Demidov?

I have met many Russians in my travels, I never met one that I did not like. They are good people overall.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Demidov would have to be one helluva an actor and a 5D chess guy for him to want to stay in Russia. He looked so stoked being drafted by us. If that was all performance as leverage for Russian contract negotiations, I’d be beyond shocked.

He’s coming over asap

 

[1909]

I actually am convinced it was for 'human reasons' actually. They could've jerked him around because they didn't want to keep him with SKA (Rotenberg doesn't rate him, he prefers bigger players) but they let him try to make the Flyers roster because there was no upside to keeping him to his KHL contract.

Oliver Kapanen's parent club in Finland did the same thing btw.

Not sure why you think Russian people are incapable of doing favours or being normal people with normal people feelings. Will you be so cruel and racist toward Demidov?

Don’t call me racist, please. (by the way, Russian is not a race) . You don’t know me. And I certainly doesn’t want to know you. Many of my favourite players are Russians.

I have met many Russians in my travels, I never met one that I did not like. They are good people overall.

I was talking about holigarchs, sports authorities, and their political leaders, and hackers. I would never put all the Russian people in the same bag.

 

[1909]

Stop it with the ridiculous tribal dehumanizing. By doing that, you're just showing you're just as bad as how you try to paint them.

The average Russian is just as normal and human as Westerners. Empathy and prosociality are universals, just as much as violence and competition, or evenmore so.

I should had been more precise. Oligarchs, sports authorities, their political leaders, and the hackers working for them. I was not pointing at the regular citizens.

 

[Zine]

I actually am convinced it was for 'human reasons' actually. They could've jerked him around because they didn't want to keep him with SKA (Rotenberg doesn't rate him, he prefers bigger players) but they let him try to make the Flyers roster because there was no upside to keeping him to his KHL contract.

Oliver Kapanen's parent club in Finland did the same thing btw.

Not sure why you think Russian people are incapable of doing favours or being normal people with normal people feelings. Will you be so cruel and racist toward Demidov?

No team, albeit NHL or KHL is gonna allow a valued asset like Michkov or Demidov leave for another league "just to be nice". High level pro hockey is a cut-throat industry.

Michkov almost certainly bought-out his own contract, which requires a 1 and 1/2 year prior notice.
So Rotenberg knew well in advance Michkov wasn't gonna honor his deal and, POd, wanted nothing to do with him. But Roten still had to develop Michkov and Michkov was still an asset to the league so he was conveniently sent to Sochi who is also funded by Gazprom.
On the other side of the world the Flyers just 'fronted' Michkov the termination fee when the time was right.

But none of this relates to Demidov as he didn't buy out his KHL deal.

 

[ReHabs]

No team, albeit NHL or KHL is gonna allow a valued asset like Michkov or Demidov leave for another league "just to be nice". High level pro hockey is a cut-throat industry.

The KHL wishes their players could be valued as assets but they are not. The NHL poaches them at will.

Michkov almost certainly bought-out his own contract, which requires a 1 and 1/2 year prior notice.

Citation needed

So Rotenberg knew well in advance Michkov wasn't gonna honor his deal and, POd, wanted nothing to do with him.

So his contract wasn’t the big red flag every genius said it was?

But Roten still had to develop Michkov and Michkov was still an asset to the league so he was conveniently sent to Sochi who is also funded by Gazprom.

Or he had no use for him so he loaned him to another team — as is common in Europe.

On the other side of the world the Flyers just 'fronted' Michkov the termination fee when the time was right.

Citation needed

But none of this relates to Demidov as he didn't buy out his KHL deal.

Agree with ya there.

 

[Zine]

The KHL wishes their players could be valued as assets but they are not. The NHL poaches them at will.

The NHL has not poached a single KHL player since the NHL was put on notice the KHL can reciprocate (see the Radulov situation like 15 years ago).

Citation needed

You're not gonna find a citation for anything concrete regarding Michkov's transfer, especially because the Flyers went under the table and SKA kept it all quiet. I'm merely stating the most likely scenario based on Rotenberg's actions and a timeline that fits.

So his contract wasn’t the big red flag every genius said it was?

No Idea. Who knows what NHL GM's think? Most of them are stupid as shit regarding anything Russian related.

Or he had no use for him so he loaned him to another team — as is common in Europe.

The irony is Rotenberg had a use for Michkov on the national team over a lot of SKA guys. Keep in mind the NT isn't Rotenberg's personal fiefdom like SKA is. He can't screw around and lose on the NT.
From interviews you get a vibe that Rotenberg and Michkov personally hated eachother.

 

[ReHabs]

The NHL has not poached a single KHL player since the NHL was put on notice the KHL can reciprocate (see the Radulov situation like 15 years ago).

The NHL takes players from the KHL all the time. We're referring to prospects here.

You're not gonna find a citation for anything concrete regarding Michkov's transfer,

Yup, you're all lying and speculating like a bunch of gossips.

especially because the Flyers went under the table and SKA kept it all quiet. I'm merely stating the most likely scenario based on Rotenberg's actions and a timeline that fits.

You're bullshitting and lying, as hockey fans are prone to do, so I hope it's not taken personally whenever it is called out.

From interviews you get a vibe that Rotenberg and Michkov personally hated eachother.

Personal animosity between the player and manager actually explains things in a more simple and relatable manner than conspiratorial bullshit all of you peddle.

So, no citations huh? How strange all of you claim something and then cannot support it with a single bit of evidence. Is this just laziness or mass self-delusion?

 

[Zine]

The NHL takes players from the KHL all the time. We're referring to prospects here.

Yup, you're all lying and speculating like a bunch of gossips.

You're bullshitting and lying, as hockey fans are prone to do, so I hope it's not taken personally whenever it is called out.

Personal animosity between the player and manager actually explains things in a more simple and relatable manner than conspiratorial bullshit all of you peddle.

So, no citations huh? How strange all of you claim something and then cannot support it with a single bit of evidence. Is this just laziness or mass self-delusion?

If you think Rotenberg (a pompous and spiteful dictator wanna-be) let Michkov out of his contract for 'human reasons', I have a broken 1998 Lada to sell you for $500,000.
The situation has nothing to do with "Russians being incapable of doing favours". This is solely about Rotenberg being a vindictive clown.
How unworldly does one need to be to believe Rotenberg's bullcrap? Seriously, I can't even.....
I'm done.


And, no, the NHL has not poached young Russian players. Stop lying. Everything has been done legally since the Radulov situation. By the book by IIHF standards.

 

[ReHabs]

If you think Rotenberg (a pompous and spiteful dictator wanna-be) let Michkov out of his contract for 'human reasons', I have a broken 1998 Lada to sell you for $500,000.
The situation has nothing to do with "Russians being incapable of doing favours". This is solely about Rotenberg being a vindictive clown.
How unworldly does one need to be to believe Rotenberg's bullcrap? Seriously, I can't even.....
I'm done.

No citation, no evidence?

Yeah you’re done. Glad you got your little rant out — hopefully you feel better now. All of you are the same.

And, no, the NHL has not poached young Russian players. Stop lying. Everything has been done legally since the Radulov situation. By the book by IIHF standards.

What is the compensation for the KHL when their prospects hop over to North America?

 

[Maitz]

I should had been more precise. Oligarchs, sports authorities, their political leaders, and the hackers working for them. I was not pointing at the regular citizens.

And even government is not all bad, I am not pro Putin at all and I hate war, I don't like the way that the authorities are driving that country BUT they did a lot of good things for the normal and poor Russian citizens. My ex is from Moscow and they don't like what is going on with Ukraine but government pay trip vacation to families, they give free food to a lot of families and access to free transportation. But yes like you said Russian citizen are really much like here and they are mostly very good people