Prospect Info: [2024 - 5th] Ivan Motherbleeping Demidov (RW), SKA St. Petersburg (MHL)

[morhilane]

Gritsyuk receives 3rd most ice time among wingers. Nikishin leads the defense. Both are not extending either.

Gritsyuk and Nikishin are 23 and 22 years old, they either extended years ago or signed longer contracts out of the gate.

 

[Redux91]

Love the logic of not putting him on the PP and then making him one of your go to players once you're down 2-0.

 

[417]

There are certain stages where development happens at quicker intervals - not actually playing hockey and getting repetitions in game situations is still a negative drain on that fertile period.

It's not going to break him because he's special but it's not ideal either and can either delay him reaching his potential or shave off part of his ceiling.

I don't even believe this for average prospects, never mind those who are as good as Demidov.

If he’s special, this wont affect him at all.

Habs fans mental state though, now that's another matter.

So much insecurity in this fanbase (not referring to you specifically).

 

[WeThreeKings]

I don't even believe this for average prospects, never mind those who are as good as Demidov.

If he’s special, this wont affect him at all.

Habs fans mental state though, now that's another matter.

So much insecurity in this fanbase (not referring to you specifically).

He's special but this isn't optimal and obviously with a player this important, we want optimal.

I'd rather not have the Russian Therrien using him but it is what it is, I would anticipate the longer this goes the more urgency Montreal might want to push for a change of scenery.

I'm hoping this bizarre usage doesn't last further than September. Even in limited minutes and weak linemates, he's managed to make some big skill plays out there in every game.

 

[rahad]

If the lack of ice time continues for the next few games, the habs should pressure ska to trade Demidov to Sochi

How on earth are the Habs going to ''pressure'' a Russia team lol? Drafting Demidov come with small risk. The biggest one is having 0 control in his last year of his contract.

 

[417]

He's special but this isn't optimal and obviously with a player this important, we want optimal.

I'd rather not have the Russian Therrien using him but it is what it is, I would anticipate the longer this goes the more urgency Montreal might want to push for a change of scenery.

I'm hoping this bizarre usage doesn't last further than September. Even in limited minutes and weak linemates, he's managed to make some big skill plays out there in every game.

That's what matters…the output doesn't change that.

In limited TOI and not the best talent surrounding him he's probably not going to produce the kind of numbers to reassure fans but really the most important thing is he stays healthy and he's available when his KHL season ends.

 

[Zine]

Gritsyuk and Nikishin are 23 and 22 years old, they either extended years ago or signed longer contracts out of the gate.

Exactly. Rotenberg strongly prefers vets. That's why Gritsyuk/Nikishin are playing and Demidov isn't as much despite all saying they won't extend.

 

[Zine]

So funny. Rotenberg is getting torn apart in Russian media/social media. But at the post game press conference he said all bad comments are generated from overseas and to not read comments on foreign websites.

Words fail me. lolol

 

[cphabs]

Pretty much none

Money talks...

 

[Shred]

So funny. Rotenberg is getting torn apart in Russian media/social media. But at the post game press conference he said all bad comments are generated from overseas and to not read comments on foreign websites.

Words fail me. lolol

Fake news strike again

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Obsessively micro-following the kid's development

If I didn't know you as a poster, I'd be asking if you're new here

this year will drive some of you crazy and the stress will lead to further balding.

Many probably are already.

If you trust the Habs' judgement so far, just continue to trust it for a bit longer.

indeed

 

[Kennerback]

So funny. Rotenberg is getting torn apart in Russian media/social media. But at the post game press conference he said all bad comments are generated from overseas and to not read comments on foreign websites.

Words fail me. lolol

It's fair that "overseas" really have Demidov's and not SKA's best interest at heart. But his offence has been either unlucky or very flat. Why not use Demidov to shake things up?

 

[Goldthorpe]

So funny. Rotenberg is getting torn apart in Russian media/social media. But at the post game press conference he said all bad comments are generated from overseas and to not read comments on foreign websites.

Words fail me. lolol

"Comments on foreign websites" - I'm going to guess that's mostly the habs fanbase following SKA this year because of Demidov. Rotenberg must sure be used to the compliant and docile russian criticism. Is habs nation going to turn this into an international incident? Are we THEIR foreign bot army? What a world we live in.

If you trust the Habs' judgement so far, just continue to trust it for a bit longer.

I'm absolutely sure, without a shred of doubt, that the habs management are 4-5 steps ahead of us in term of Demidov development and the options that are open for him and when they should or can be triggered. They told us they met this summer with SKA, but that's only to signal they were on point.

 

[Kennerback]

To be perfectly honest with myself, I want to see him more because I just like being entertained. Maybe I also think he deserves to play more. But it's mostly that I love watching him play. .

Regarding the development issue, It's not ideal if a prospect doesn't play 10 minutes. But he's not an ordinary prospect and I don't believe his development can be messed up. He's just too good and driven. Can It delay his development? I'm not even sure. Wherever he plays and how he's played won't make much of a difference.

 

[Zine]

It's fair that "overseas" really have Demidov's and not SKA's best interest at heart. But his offence has been either unlucky or very flat. Why not use Demidov to shake things up?

"Comments on foreign websites" - I'm going to guess that's mostly the habs fanbase following SKA this year because of Demidov. Rotenberg must sure be used to the compliant and docile russian criticism. Is habs nation going to turn this into an international incident? Are we THEIR foreign bot army? What a world we live in.

For Habs fans Demidov is the center of the KHL, but most Rotenberg criticism really hasn't been about Demidov. Not many people are on twitter, or reddit, let alone or foreign hockey sites. Russia has its own social media.
Critisim is primarily aimed at Kuznetsov and how laughably disjoined SKA is.

I mean SKA looks BAD. The 'foreign press' is just another excuse RoRo is throwing around. Add it to the litany of others over the years. Injuries, extended travel, bad ice, etc. etc.

 

[Kennerback]

For Habs fans Demidov is the center of the KHL, but most Rotenberg criticism really hasn't been about Demidov. Not many people are on twitter, or reddit, let alone or foreign hockey sites.
Critisim is primarily aimed at Kuznetsov and how laughably disjoined SKA is.

I mean SKA looks BAD. The 'foreign press' is just another excuse RoRo is throwing around. Add it to the litany of others over the years. Injuries, extended travel, bad ice, etc. etc.

What do they say about Kuznetsov? Are they also surprised at how off his game is?

 

[Zine]

To be perfectly honest with myself, I want to see him more because I just like being entertained. Maybe I also think he deserves to play more. But it's mostly that I love watching him play. .

Regarding the development issue, It's not ideal if a prospect doesn't play 10 minutes. But he's not an ordinary prospect and I don't believe his development can be messed up. He's just too good and driven. Can It delay his development? I'm not even sure. Wherever he plays and how he's played won't make much of a difference.

Keep in mind, even if he's not playing many minutes...he's still practicing daily against ex-NHLers. Despite Rotenberg's lunacy, SKA still has really super facilities and great development staff.

I mean if he was born in Quebec he'd probably be in the Q playing against future truck drivers and accountants; I don't think he's quite NHL ready yet.

 

[Zine]

What do they say about Kuznetsov? Are they also surprised at how off his game is?

Of course. It also doesn't help that SKA's PR machine is marketing Kuznetsov like he's the second coming.

 

[NobleSix]

They probably offered him a contract extension after the 1st game and he said nah boys and now they're mad as f***

 

[Sasha Orlov]

For Habs fans Demidov is the center of the KHL, but most Rotenberg criticism really hasn't been about Demidov. Not many people are on twitter, or reddit, let alone or foreign hockey sites. Russia has its own social media.
Critisim is primarily aimed at Kuznetsov and how laughably disjoined SKA is.

I mean SKA looks BAD. The 'foreign press' is just another excuse RoRo is throwing around. Add it to the litany of others over the years. Injuries, extended travel, bad ice, etc. etc.

He sounds so delusional… listening to him talk is infuriating

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

To early to panic , let's see how his coach sees him after games 15-20 , This was always going to be the case with a 18 year old in the K.

I don’t see Demidov playing 20 games on the 4th line. He will be moved if that’s the case

 

[morhilane]

Exactly. Rotenberg strongly prefers vets. That's why Gritsyuk/Nikishin are playing and Demidov isn't as much despite all saying they won't extend.

Nikishin was already playing 22+ minutes per games when SKA acquired him a few years ago.
Gritsyuk started with Omsk and his TOI with SKA haven't increased from his Omsk days either.

Neither Nikishin or Gritsyuk were vets 3 years ago when they were playing similar TOI.

 

[Zine]

Nikishin was already playing 22+ minutes per games when SKA acquired him a few years ago.
Gritsyuk started with Omsk and his TOI with SKA haven't increased from his Omsk days either.

Neither Nikishin or Gritsyuk were vets 3 years ago when they were playing similar TOI.

Spartak and Avangard are insonsequential. Different teams, different situations, different rosters.

Relative to their SKA teammates who are signed-long term, Gritsyuk and Nikishin are receiving very quality ice time. This would not be the case if there was some innate anti-NHL conspiracy.

This isn't rocket science.

 

[The Last Red]

Spartak and Avangard are insonsequential. Different teams, different situations, different rosters.

Relative to their SKA teammates who are signed-long term, Gritsyuk and Nikishin are receiving very quality ice time. This would not be the case if there was some innate anti-NHL conspiracy.

This isn't rocket science.

This is why Habs fans get a bad rap sometimes. Their passion for the team crosses the line into nonsensical overreaction. Demidov will be perfectly fine regardless of what happens this season at SKA.

 

[Mudz]

What happening right now is perfect. It's advance load management by Kent Hughes. Demidov's priority right now is to get stronger. Low minutes in game, more time in the gym!

Also more time to follow Hutson at the rookie camp.