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Prospect Info: [2024 - 5th] Ivan Motherbleeping Demidov (RW), SKA St. Petersburg (MHL)

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The Last Red said:
Won’t make a huge difference in the long run. Athletic success is determined mostly by talent and natural ability, which will not disappear in seven months.
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There are certain stages where development happens at quicker intervals - not actually playing hockey and getting repetitions in game situations is still a negative drain on that fertile period.

It's not going to break him because he's special but it's not ideal either and can either delay him reaching his potential or shave off part of his ceiling.
 
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Ozmodiar said:
Good example to show we have nothing to worry about.

If CC can thrive after a season with Dom, Demi can do the same following a season with Rotenberg.
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especially when Demidov is an 18 year old that barely played above the MHL last year and just got back on the ice a few weeks ago after being out for the ankle/knee injury from the playoffs. So right now it's just about him working on physical things imo.
 
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If the lack of ice time continues for the next few games, the habs should pressure ska to trade Demidov to Sochi
 
Kudo Shinichi said:
If the lack of ice time continues for the next few games, the habs should pressure ska to trade Demidov to Sochi
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It's still really early. It's not like he's not experiencing anything new. Let's see how he faces adversity and lack of ice time for the first time in his career. If he comes to NHL, he's not going to get 1st line minutes right away, it's likely Slafkovsky treatment. This will show us whether he has the ability to start from bottom and work his way up.

I don't think he was ever going to produce as much with SKA. But it doesn't mean he's not getting more accustomed to pro game where he isn't automatically the#1 guy.

Now if he gets the bench and plays this much the entire year, then I'll have a problem. This early in the season? Not that surprised.
 
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Wats said:
It's still really early. It's not like he's not experiencing anything new. Let's see how he faces adversity and lack of ice time for the first time in his career. If he comes to NHL, he's not going to get 1st line minutes right away, it's likely Slafkovsky treatment. This will show us whether he has the ability to start from bottom and work his way up.

I don't think he was ever going to produce as much with SKA. But it doesn't mean he's not getting more accustomed to pro game where he isn't automatically the#1 guy.

Now if he gets the bench and plays this much the entire year, then I'll have a problem. This early in the season? Not that surprised.
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How do you want him to produce, when he's on the fourth line with minimal ice time.
 
I feel for the Russians in a way. It is their talent after all. However, many Russian hockey players became millionaires by playing NHL.

This is pretty standard protocol. Michkov went through it and so did Romanov in some ways. Russians are trying to protect their talent as much as they can but they can't compete with NHL salaries.

It's just sad that Demdiov has to suffer from the politics. He's caught in the middle of it. I'm sure they will sort it out and get him in a good spot. If I was the Habs, I'd offer to buy out the contract. We have $10M of unused cap space with Price and I believe insurance is paying it.

Not ideal for his development but not worried about it. If he has the talent we know he has, it's not going to disappear.
 
Ozmodiar said:
Good example to show we have nothing to worry about.

If CC can thrive after a season with Dom, Demi can do the same following a season with Rotenberg.
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The difference being CC got plenty of prime ice time under Dom to start the season he just was not very good.
But yeah his confidence got shot fairly quickly and it definitely wasn't going to come back they way things were going.
 
Demidov's ice time was fine once they got down. He also started playing with better talent (Gritsyuk).
The coach would never have done it otherwise. That and the fact that it was the other bottom line that got scored against.
 
KHL website has a lots of stats. Demidov pass success rate is 91.11% so far. The highest among all the SKA forwards (some dmen do a bit better).

I'm surprised that Gritsyuk only plays 15m per game.

Rapala said:
Demidov's ice time was fine once they got down. He also started playing with better talent (Gritsyuk).
The coach would never have done it otherwise. That and the fact that it was the other bottom line that got scored against.
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Kinda confirms Roten knows Demidov is one of his better forwards, but "politics" decide lines and TOI instead of talent.
 
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morhilane said:
KHL website has a lots of stats. Demidov pass success rate is 91.11% so far. The highest among all the SKA forwards (some dmen do a bit better).

I'm surprised that Gritsyuk only plays 15m per game.


Kinda confirms Roten knows Demidov is one of his better forwards, but "politics" decide lines and TOI instead of talent.
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Gritsyuk receives 3rd most ice time among wingers. Nikishin leads the defense. Both are not extending either.

The reality is Roma is an incompetent nepotist with an odd fetish for experienced players. "Trust the system!":laugh:
He values his own principals over common sense, and will fall off a cliff with them.
 
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Habs Halifax said:
I feel for the Russians in a way. It is their talent after all. However, many Russian hockey players became millionaires by playing NHL.

This is pretty standard protocol. Michkov went through it and so did Romanov in some ways. Russians are trying to protect their talent as much as they can but they can't compete with NHL salaries.

It's just sad that Demdiov has to suffer from the politics. He's caught in the middle of it. I'm sure they will sort it out and get him in a good spot. If I was the Habs, I'd offer to buy out the contract. We have $10M of unused cap space with Price and I believe insurance is paying it.

Not ideal for his development but not worried about it. If he has the talent we know he has, it's not going to disappear.
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Why the stereotype? This is a SKA situation, not a "Russian" one. Lots of young players are getting great ice time in the KHL. In fact there exists coaches who are very NHL friendly in KHL, especially ex-NHLers.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
There are certain stages where development happens at quicker intervals - not actually playing hockey and getting repetitions in game situations is still a negative drain on that fertile period.

It's not going to break him because he's special but it's not ideal either and can either delay him reaching his potential or shave off part of his ceiling.
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I don't even believe this for average prospects, never mind those who are as good as Demidov.

If he’s special, this wont affect him at all.

Habs fans mental state though, now that's another matter.

So much insecurity in this fanbase (not referring to you specifically).
 
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I don't even believe this for average prospects, never mind those who are as good as Demidov.

If he’s special, this wont affect him at all.

Habs fans mental state though, now that's another matter.

So much insecurity in this fanbase (not referring to you specifically).
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He's special but this isn't optimal and obviously with a player this important, we want optimal.

I'd rather not have the Russian Therrien using him but it is what it is, I would anticipate the longer this goes the more urgency Montreal might want to push for a change of scenery.

I'm hoping this bizarre usage doesn't last further than September. Even in limited minutes and weak linemates, he's managed to make some big skill plays out there in every game.
 
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Kudo Shinichi said:
If the lack of ice time continues for the next few games, the habs should pressure ska to trade Demidov to Sochi
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How on earth are the Habs going to ''pressure'' a Russia team lol? Drafting Demidov come with small risk. The biggest one is having 0 control in his last year of his contract.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
He's special but this isn't optimal and obviously with a player this important, we want optimal.

I'd rather not have the Russian Therrien using him but it is what it is, I would anticipate the longer this goes the more urgency Montreal might want to push for a change of scenery.

I'm hoping this bizarre usage doesn't last further than September. Even in limited minutes and weak linemates, he's managed to make some big skill plays out there in every game.
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That's what matters…the output doesn't change that.

In limited TOI and not the best talent surrounding him he's probably not going to produce the kind of numbers to reassure fans but really the most important thing is he stays healthy and he's available when his KHL season ends.
 
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morhilane said:
Gritsyuk and Nikishin are 23 and 22 years old, they either extended years ago or signed longer contracts out of the gate.
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Exactly. Rotenberg strongly prefers vets. That's why Gritsyuk/Nikishin are playing and Demidov isn't as much despite all saying they won't extend.
 
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