Prospect Info: [2024] 4th rd selection - #120 OA - LD, Victor Johansson - Leksands IF, J20 Nationell (5′11″ - 156/159 lb. Updated Weight)

[cyris]

I can’t believe the meltdown some of you had over a 4th round pick.
It’s not even about “trust the scouts” at this point in the draft the majority of guys won’t ever play a single game and even less will carve out effective NHL careers. Who cares. Wait and see and hopefully he works out. No point in getting all worked up about it either way.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

And now he is forever tied to the production of Aron Kiviharju, a consensus early 2nd round pick who slipped and went 2 picks after Johansson. It's just bad asset management. Anything less to an equal career and this is a major miss by our scouts. I'll have no problem coming back to eat crow if he is successful, but I can guarantee you'll never hear from the "trust the scouts" group again.

Oh god not the weight of living up to Kiviharju! What ever will he do.

 

[Thornbury]

If it’s so easy then why didn’t he do any eating and lifting this year?

Apparently he had some injuries that limited his ability to spend time in the gym. The next couple years will be telling in terms of growth in his size and strength.

 

[Dayjobdave]

A few years ago the Leafs thought they were the only team to scout Parayko so they were sure they could wait to the late rounds to take him.

Teams have their own lists.

I would give. Tommy 2-3 picks a draft

 

[RunItBackAgain]

How many 5'9 dman actually make it? And how many are available to draft? Probably less than 0.01% have any impact. Not worried we passed on another smurf. At least this guy has more than a 0.01% chance.

 

[SweLeafsFan]

He plays for my favorite team in Sweden. But I don't watch the junior teams play so I have never seen him play. Will keep an eye on him from now on.

 

[crump]

The weight thing reminds me of when Connor Brown was drafted. So light and small. He filled out nicely. This guy at least has the height already. His one brother is 6’4” the other 6’2” I believe. Bottom line is, some scout in Sweden knows this kid, has seen his skill/ IQ whatever and projects him to be enough of a high reward, that as a 4th rounder you take that risk.

Most interesting/mysterious Leaf pick at this draft for me.

 

[darrylsittler27]

And now he is forever tied to the production of Aron Kiviharju, a consensus early 2nd round pick who slipped and went 2 picks after Johansson. It's just bad asset management. Anything less to an equal career and this is a major miss by our scouts. I'll have no problem coming back to eat crow if he is successful, but I can guarantee you'll never hear from the "trust the scouts" group again.

You do realize a lot of teams passed on him and Bergman has weight in that group. There may be a very good reason he fell that far. People are upset because they never heard of the kid. He is now 6ft 1 and very mobile. Give it a year before we jump on this pick. What percentage of 4th rounders play 200 games in the NHL? Toronto has had good results with Swedes starting with Salming.

 

[RoadWarrior]

How many 5'9 dman actually make it? And how many are available to draft? Probably less than 0.01% have any impact. Not worried we passed on another smurf. At least this guy has more than a 0.01% chance.

He’s not a Smurf but he is a stick. Probably not much more than a 0.1% chance. Not sure he can bulk up to the required strength without chemical help.

 

[ULF_55]

And now he is forever tied to the production of Aron Kiviharju, a consensus early 2nd round pick who slipped and went 2 picks after Johansson. It's just bad asset management. Anything less to an equal career and this is a major miss by our scouts. I'll have no problem coming back to eat crow if he is successful, but I can guarantee you'll never hear from the "trust the scouts" group again.

Every player drafted before Aron Kiviharju are forever tied to Aron Kiviharju.

Right?

 

[ULF_55]

If it’s so easy then why didn’t he do any eating and lifting this year?

How much weight do you want him to put on in a year?

You don't think 137 to 165 in a year is enough for a growing boy?

 

[ULF_55]

He’s not a Smurf but he is a stick. Probably not much more than a 0.1% chance. Not sure he can bulk up to the required strength without chemical help.

Where does this come from?

Serious question.

How do you arrive at that conclusion?

 

[RoadWarrior]

Where does this come from?

Serious question.

How do you arrive at that conclusion?

Adding 50lbs of muscle is no easy task.

 

[darrylsittler27]

He’s not a Smurf but he is a stick. Probably not much more than a 0.1% chance. Not sure he can bulk up to the required strength without chemical help.

The kid is what 17? Right now he is 165, someone played with his weight? He can add 20 lbs in 2 years easy. They don't expect these ones (late picks)till 22 plus. It's not hard to put on weight from 18 to 21, it's common. Niemela weighed what ? This kid could become 6ft 2 185 lbs + by 22 and they would still be unhappy. Ask a pro why the other guy fell so far?

 

[ULF_55]

Adding 50lbs of muscle is no easy task.

Why would he need 50 pounds of muscle if he's at 165 today?

We have old information that had him a 137 lbs. and more recent that has him anywhere from 159 to 165. Just turned 18. He's really an 18 year old boy.

So if the old information is a year old, and he's added 22-28 pounds in a year?

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Phew thank god the weight is updated, kid's now a goddamn beast!

 

[RoadWarrior]

Why would he need 50 pounds of muscle if he's at 165 today?

We have old information that had him a 137 lbs. and more recent that has him anywhere from 159 to 165. Just turned 18. He's really an 18 year old boy.

So if the old information is a year old, and he's added 22-28 pounds in a year?

Marner weighed 160 at his draft as a finesse winger. 165 for a D is rail thin.

 

[ULF_55]

Marner weighed 160 at his draft as a finesse winger. 165 for a D is rail thin.

Do you know how many 165 lb. 18 year old defenders were in the NHL this last season?

Trick question ... there were no 18 year old defender in the NHL.

 

[RoadWarrior]

Do you know how many 165 lb. 18 year old defenders were in the NHL this last season?

Trick question ... there were no 18 year old defender in the NHL.

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Your point is what? I also see that 3 of them are over 165 lbs.

 

[ULF_55]

Your point is what? I also see that 3 of them are over 165 lbs.

They aren't 18 years old.

So you believe a boy who just turned 18 year old is not going to add weight in the next 2-4 years?

 

[RoadWarrior]

They aren't 18 years old.

So you believe a boy who just turned 18 year old is not going to add weight in the next 2-4 years?

Marner is still in the 160 lb range. Sometimes genetics dictates a certain body type. Let’s hope that Victor is able to find a good trainer and bulk up. Otherwise he’s destined to stay in Europe.

 

[ULF_55]

Marner is still in the 160 lb range. Sometimes genetics dictates a certain body type. Let’s hope that Victor is able to find a good trainer and bulk up. Otherwise he’s destined to stay in Europe.

But you're saying 160 lb. isn't an issue if marner is an All-Star in the NHL?

Cake and eating it too?

 

[RoadWarrior]

But you're saying 160 lb. isn't an issue if marner is an All-Star in the NHL?

Cake and eating it too?

Marner is a skinny forward who loses just about every puck battle he engages in. Hence the trade talk. If Victor lost every puck battle in the pros as a D man he wouldn’t touch NHL ice.

 

[The Nic]

If I remember correctly... Henrik Zetterberg was less than 5-06 tall and 160 pounds when drafted by Detroit in 1999. One thing I do know is that Maple Leafs scouts in Sweden generally know what they're doing.

 

[RoadWarrior]

If I remember correctly... Henrik Zetterberg was less than 5-06 tall and 160 pounds when drafted by Detroit in 1999. One thing I do know is that Maple Leafs scouts in Sweden generally know what they're doing.

Zetterberg had a late growth spurt to say the least. Not common but it does happen.