2024 2nd Overall Artyom Levshunov

I think his play has been pretty solid so far. The Hawks in general have just played very poorly. The tools are still the same tools that got him drafted where he was. You can see real improvement from NCAA to now. He's looked really comfortable on the PP as well.
This. Especially the bolded part. I was not a fan of Levs play in his own zone at MSU and he's cleaned it up.
 
Why do they still track it then? Seems to me that a player is more valuable if they are on the ice for more goals than they give up.
Do you really not understand the concept of why +/- is a terribly flawed stat that doesn't really carry any weight?

Other player's mistakes, not yours, impact your +/-. Bad goals by goalies impact your +/-. If you step on the damn ice a second before the goal is scored, it's a dash. If you had absolutely nothing to do with why the goal was scored... like a bad bounce off the glass or boards... you get a dash. Own goals. Bounces off players. All dashes. Like... how are you still arguing for +/- as a way to decide a player's value or ability? If a player puts up 20 goals and 20 assists on the PP... they don't get a single +. Are they a bad player who provides no value because they might be negative because of that? Say they have 40 PP points, and only 20 EV points. They're a minus 10. They must not be a top 6 forward. Or a top 4 D. Not a good player. Cus... -10.
 
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Hmmmmm I wonder how much longer folks are going to continue to feed the troll?
Well I for one am going to throw a few more biscuits out there ..
Ole Old School came on here throwing shade on our 2nd OA pick who by the way has gone into a new and higher level every year apparently and has excelled after a number of months of getting used to the swing of things. One would think an experienced past scout ( the alleged buddy ) would be aware of this somewhat glaring factor and perhaps temper his initial reactionary judgement for a few more months.
Nope and one would think the friend of the buddy would pull back on continuing to hammer at this shortsighted analysis/projection of a this particular young D who is playing one of the most difficult positions as a teenager .. but nope. Ain't life grand!
Trolls gonna troll I guess. Well, I'm out of food for now. I think Old School's belly must be getting pretty full by now anyway .. at least one can hope! Be well everyone.
 
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“My scout friend said Lev bad”- @OldScool
 
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I still remember when Mike Green was a +39 for the Capitals back in 2010. ELITE defenseman I tell ya. Should've won the Norris over Keith that year. Only a +21 for Keith?! Pffff.
It's funny when I brought up actual data and factual information refuting his and his buddy's ridiculous opinion... he vanished. Shocking I tell ya.

Patrick Kane. Terrible player, has no business making the Hall of Fame... because he's a +2 for his career despite having 1330 career points.

I can't believe this is even an argument or opinion to have in 2025. Like JFC. :laugh:
 
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On pace for 32 points and a -147. Moved to 3rd d pairing...send back to Rockford to develop. Long way to go.....
 
Probably banged his "pro scouts" friends mom. and he watched.
Or maybe someone came on here with some professional scouting comments and fanboys attacked him and it turns out that the assessment was correct and your feelings are hurt and you can't admit you were wrong?

I hope Lev turns into a stud. But he is a looong way away from being a good NHL defenseman.
 
Do you really not understand the concept of why +/- is a terribly flawed stat that doesn't really carry any weight?
Are they a bad player who provides no value because they might be negative because of that? Say they have 40 PP points, and only 20 EV points. They're a minus 10. They must not be a top 6 forward. Or a top 4 D. Not a good player. Cus... -10.
Of course there are going to be discrepancies and flaws in any stat and +/- is no exception ... but a player as you describe above playing for a good team may not be "bad" but is probably overrated. Being on the plus side is the goal of every responsible player and in the long haul usually speaks volumes. A list of the all-time leaders is a whos who of greats:.................................................https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/nhl-players-all-time-plus-minus-leaders.html
 
No reason to burn a season .....he's getting a taste of the bigs which is good enough.....he'll come in running next year and never look back.
 
Or maybe someone came on here with some professional scouting comments and fanboys attacked him and it turns out that the assessment was correct and your feelings are hurt and you can't admit you were wrong?

I hope Lev turns into a stud. But he is a looong way away from being a good NHL defenseman.
I could have told you he needs to work on his defense, and I have barely seen the kid play lol
 
Or maybe someone came on here with some professional scouting comments and fanboys attacked him and it turns out that the assessment was correct and your feelings are hurt and you can't admit you were wrong?

I hope Lev turns into a stud. But he is a looong way away from being a good NHL defenseman.
Omg Oldscool .. question : how is this assessment correct?
Assessment being that Lev is a 3rd pairing D?
No one can look ahead to his let's say 5th year with the big club and label Lev as a 3rd pair D.
Sure, maybe right now as a 19 year old barely AHL player in his first season as a pro with what he has shown is maybe a 3rd pair D with the Hawks right now but he's just up for a taste and so he is still a rookie AHL D.
So correction : the assessment is wrong and all the posters here don't have their feelings hurt ..
they're just outraged at your troll like behaviour.
Let it go dude.
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