Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[Heldig]

1st + Barlow for Nelson
26 2nd + Heinola for Ferraro

Seems like realistic payments for these guys that I think we can pay without it hurting too much.

Barlow is turning around a bit recently but I think he ends up as a third liner - we don't need a third liner in 5 years I'd rather have Nelson for this run.

Too much unless Nelson is extended IMO.

 

[surixon]

1st + Barlow for Nelson
26 2nd + Heinola for Ferraro

Seems like realistic payments for these guys that I think we can pay without it hurting too much.

Barlow is turning around a bit recently but I think he ends up as a third liner - we don't need a third liner in 5 years I'd rather have Nelson for this run.

That is a long my line of thinking for tomorrow.

 

[Whileee]

Seems pretty much like the Jets are zoned in on Nelson as their big acquisition. Doesn't seem like there are any other comparable 2C options. Therefore, my guess is that Lou is going to wait this right until the deadline to force Chevy to come up with his best offer. It'll probably be more than Chevy or most of us would like, but there just aren't any real alternatives.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

That is a long my line of thinking for tomorrow.

On a side note, with Kupari in concussion protocol, this frees up Chevy to make a move a day early without affecting the roster.

Winnipeg Jets head coach Scott Arniel indicates Rasmus Kupari in concussion protocol – Illegal Curve Hockey

Latest on the Finnish forward.

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I was rather certain the Jets would be waiting until tomorrow for any deals, but this news has me thinking something could very well happen today.

 

[Gm0ney]

Dumoulin 50% retained. I don’t know much about the prospect sent over (Herman Traff) but seems like a meh prospect.

I would’ve done that deal.

Traff seems to be having a decent year in the SHL and made Sweden's WJC team (scoring 2 goals in 7 games).

Ballpark I'd say he's below Yager/Walton/He and Barlow, but above Levis or Loponen in terms of current Jet prospects.

 

[Moloch]

Would u do Nelson and a 1st for prefetti and a 2n

Naw they ain't standing pat... Chevy will wait it out see who budges first.. teams that are asking to much may need to compromise a bit if no one bites

Chevy is a master negotiater literally wins 90 percent of his trades.. without his foresight we wouldn't be a playoff team literally every year for the past 7 seasons

Right. Chevy is second to only Doug Armstrong as longest standing NHL GM. Ain't his first rodeo..

 

[surixon]

Seems pretty much like the Jets are zoned in on Nelson as their big acquisition. Doesn't seem like there are any other comparable 2C options. Therefore, my guess is that Lou is going to wait this right until the deadline to force Chevy to come up with his best offer. It'll probably be more than Chevy or most of us would like, but there just aren't any real alternatives.

Yeah a 1st and top 3-5 prospect like Barlow is what I'm expecting. That is more then what market usually warrants but might be necessary.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

They will be hard pressed to find someone this late in the game willing to give up a key now piece for him.

True.

And as other people have pointed out, it seems odd that a bona fide contender like Carolina is working this hard to flip him vs. just accepting that he’ll be hitting UFA this summer. They’re not getting another player of his caliber in a swap.

 

[Whileee]

Too much unless Nelson is extended IMO.

I think it's unrealistic to expect an extension before the trade.

My guess is that Chevy is offering a 1st and lesser prospect or young player and Lou is asking for a 1st + Salomonsson or Yager. It'll be brinkmanship down to the wire and end up with a 1st + Barlow (or similar value). Lou knows Chevy doesn't have any other options as suitable as Nelson.

Ferraro may be worth a 1st on his own, so that may be tough. Greenway im assuming is staying in Buffalo now. But I agree that would be amazing deadline between Ferraro and Nelson.

I actually think Dumoulin is as good or better than Ferraro.

 

[Crocket]

Chevy likes a few things; term on the player, connection to guys on the team, and someone that isn't obviously available

 

[gojetsgo]

friedman saying he's heard a rumor that nelsons NTC will not be a problem for canadian teams, you just have to have a good team...

 

[Crocket]

True.

And as other people have pointed out, it seems odd that a bona fide contender like Carolina is working this hard to flip him vs. just accepting that he’ll be hitting UFA this summer. They’re not getting another player of his caliber in a swap.

Agreed. They had to assume he had a low probability of signing. And that is the risk they took. Bizarre move of they flip him

 

[Moloch]

 

[Cypruss]

if they were throwing things out there to build excitement they wouldn't be using the jets to do so

how much of a net negative have trading these picks actually been? were currently #1 team in the league while having a decent prospect pool, I think it's been exaggerated how much losing these picks has actually hurt us, it's not like were giving up a top 10 pick that could actually be a difference maker

from every thing that is out there I would be shocked if they only come away with pressbox guys

Great question – “how much of a net negative have trading these picks actually been?”



I’m working really hard today, so did some digging….since 2018. These are the deadline deals where we were adding pieces for the playoffs (so the Copp trade for example is not in here). Not much context yet for a bunch of the picks since recent ones still in Junior. Liam Greentree looks promising in the OHL with 105 points in 58 games with Windsor.



Jets players in BOLD are still with the team

Year	Jets Receive	Other Team	Jets gave up	Turned Into	Career GP	Career Points	Note
2018	Paul Stastny	Stl	Eric Foley	Eric Foley	0	0	Retired
2018	Paul Stastny	Stl	2018 1st	Rasmus Sandin	289	108	NHL
2018	Paul Stastny	Stl	2020 4th	Semyon Der-Arguchintsev	1	0	In KHL
2018	Joe Morrow	Montreal	2018 4th	Milos Roman	0	0	In Czech
2019	Par Lindholm	Toronto	Nic Petan	Nic Petan	170	35	NHL
2019	Bogdan Kiselevich	Florida	2021 7th	Braden Hache	0	0	AHL
2019	Nathan Beaulieu	Buffalo	2019 6th	Karel Plasek	0	0	In Czech
2019	Matt Hendricks	Minnesota	2020 7th	Wyatt Schingoethe	0	0	NCHC
2019	Kevin Hays	NYR	Brendan Lemieux	Brendan Lemieux	307	74	NHL
2019	Kevin Hayes	NYR	2019 1st	Ville Heinola	52	12	NHL
2019	Kavin Hayes	NYR	2022 4th	Noah Laba	0	0	NCHC
2020	Dylan Demelo	Ottawa	2020 3rd	Leevi Merilainen	14	Goalie	AHL
2020	Cody Eakin	Vegas	2021 4th	Red Savage	0	0	Big 10
2022	Zach Sanford	Ottawa	2022 5th	Cameron O'Neil	0	0	H-East
2022	Mason Appleton	Seattle	2023 4th	Luca Pinelli	0	0	OHL
2023	Nino Niederreiter	Nashville	2024 2nd	Spencer Gill	0	0	QMJHL
2023	Vlad Namestikov	San Jose	2025 4th	To Be Determined	0	0	NA
2024	Sean Monahan	Montreal	2024 1st	Liam Greentree	0	0	OHL
2024	Sean Monahan	Montreal	2027 3rd	To Be Determined	0	0	NA
2024	Colin Miller	New Jersey	2026 4th	To Be Determined	0	0	NA
2024	Tyler Toffoli	New Jersey	2024 3rd	Herman Traff	0	0	Sweden
2024	Tyler Toffoli	New Jersey	2025 2nd	To Be Determined	0	0	NA

 

[Xavier Laflamme]

friedman saying he's heard a rumor that nelsons NTC will not be a problem for canadian teams, you just have to have a good team...

Last I checked we have a good team, you hear that Brock, team good, come to the Peg.

Also kinda of off topic but why are the Leafs pursuing Nelson, they have two good top 6 centres in Matthews and Tavares, are they gonna run him on the third line and what can they even offer over us?

 

[Huffer]

Seems pretty much like the Jets are zoned in on Nelson as their big acquisition. Doesn't seem like there are any other comparable 2C options. Therefore, my guess is that Lou is going to wait this right until the deadline to force Chevy to come up with his best offer. It'll probably be more than Chevy or most of us would like, but there just aren't any real alternatives.

On the 2C rental front he does look to be the only game in town.

The Jets could also as an option pivot away (depending on the prices) to upgrading their 2C with Nelson, and possibly switch to upgrading their middle 6 offense with 1 or 2 scoring wingers as well as a possibility.

Nothing against Apples or Perfetti, but if Nelson doesn't pan out and the team really wants to improve scoring, moving one or both to line 4 and adding 1 or 2 of McCann, Rakell, Boeser, Palmieri, etc.

You'd still have Names and Lowry as middle 6 C's, but you could possibly increase scoring that way. That depends on if prices for wingers is lower than Nelson.

Maybe an option if Chevy really wants to make "big moves".

 

[CanMerc]

Last I checked we have a good team, you hear that Brock, team good, come to the Peg.

Also kinda of off topic but why are the Leafs pursuing Nelson, they have two good top 6 centres in Matthews and Tavares, are they gonna run him on the third line and what can they even offer over us?

Leafs likely want to drop Tavares to 3rd C

On the 2C rental front he does look to be the only game in town.

The Jets could also as an option pivot away (depending on the prices) to upgrading their 2C with Nelson, and possibly switch to upgrading their middle 6 offense with 1 or 2 scoring wingers as well as a possibility.

Nothing against Apples or Perfetti, but if Nelson doesn't pan out and the team really wants to improve scoring, moving one or both to line 4 and adding 1 or 2 of McCann, Rakell, Boeser, Palmieri, etc.

You'd still have Names and Lowry as middle 6 C's, but you could possibly increase scoring that way. That depends on if prices for wingers is lower than Nelson.

Going into the playoffs with Lowry and/or Names as 2C is a recipe for a 1st round exit. Jets absolutely need a 2C.

 

[Cypruss]

Last I checked we have a good team, you hear that Brock, team good, come to the Peg.

Also kinda of off topic but why are the Leafs pursuing Nelson, they have two good top 6 centres in Matthews and Tavares, are they gonna run him on the third line and what can they even offer over us?

Because everyone wants to play for the Leafs, and all good players should block all other teams to end up in Toronto.

Also, the stories (fantasies) are for click bait revenue generation......

 

[CanMerc]

With Dumo gone, and I wouldn’t have paid that price anyway, looks like Ferraro is the best option for LD acquisition, if that’s where he’s looking…could be a bottom pairing RD, though I can’t see the reason with Miller just waiting for ice time.
I just really want Chevy to stay away from the Habs players…no more overpaying for them

 

[Thechozen1]

1st + Barlow for Nelson
26 2nd + Heinola for Ferraro

Seems like realistic payments for these guys that I think we can pay without it hurting too much.

Barlow is turning around a bit recently but I think he ends up as a third liner - we don't need a third liner in 5 years I'd rather have Nelson for this run.

I’d even add Rashevsky’s rights to get either deal done

 

[Huffer]

Going into the playoffs with Lowry and/or Names as 2C is a recipe for a 1st round exit. Jets absolutely need a 2C.

It would be ideal for sure, but in the event that Nelson isn't traded by the Islanders, or traded somewhere else, it's another option. Especially if there are no legitimate 2C's available.

 

[PierogiPanda]

I agree. If oleksiak is replacing Stan, that's an upgrade. He was pretty decent in Dallas. That's why evaluations are tricky, some guys are just buried on bad teams and emerge with a new team. I'm okay with Fleury over Stan.

Bolstering that 2nd line, moving Namestikov down would be beneficial. If we can't get anyone, I'd rearrange so we have some size on the 2nd line, maybe move Nino up.

Appleton looks injured or something. Gus could replace him. Without Kupari, maybe Names plays 4th C.

DeMelo just doesn't look good to me, I could be wrong, but he's lost a step. If we could get a top RD, it would be key for us. We have to assume we are going to have injuries.

Ehlers has been helped off the ice twice in the last 2 games. Depth is important, we're pretty deep

Too much unless Nelson is extended IMO.

Nelson could arguably be the best player we've acquired via trade. An extension would be great but he's exactly the type of player you overpay for in a contending year.

 

[surixon]

On the 2C rental front he does look to be the only game in town.

The Jets could also as an option pivot away (depending on the prices) to upgrading their 2C with Nelson, and possibly switch to upgrading their middle 6 offense with 1 or 2 scoring wingers as well as a possibility.

Nothing against Apples or Perfetti, but if Nelson doesn't pan out and the team really wants to improve scoring, moving one or both to line 4 and adding 1 or 2 of McCann, Rakell, Boeser, Palmieri, etc.

You'd still have Names and Lowry as middle 6 C's, but you could possibly increase scoring that way. That depends on if prices for wingers is lower than Nelson.

Maybe an option if Chevy really wants to make "big moves".

The problem is how do those players look in a second line role playing 15 minutes a game as opposed to the 18 to 20 they currently get on the top likes of their respective teams?

People don't ever seem to take that into account.

Boeser has the same points as Perfetti averaging 4 minutes more a game and playing on the 1st pp unit.

Rackell has been joined at the hip with Crosby and is on the 1st pp unit.

Are these players actually upgrades over what we have?

 

[Huffer]

The problem is how do those players look in a second line role playing 15 minutes a game as opposed to the 18 to 20 they currently get on the top likes of their respective teams?

People don't ever seem to take that into account.

Boeser has the same points as Perfetti averaging 4 minutes more a game and playing on the 1st pp unit.

Rackell has been joined at the hip with Crosby and is on the 1st pp unit.

Are these players actually upgrades over what we have?

Those are excellent points. They'd have to be confident they would be improvements for sure. I was just throwing out another option if the Jets can't get a deal with a 2C upgrade.

 

[surixon]

Those are excellent points. They'd have to be confident they would be improvements for sure. I was just throwing out another option if the Jets can't get a deal with a 2C upgrade.

They definitely should explore options, just pointing out that just looking at points doesn't provide all the context. You'd have to be sure the player could play well in a different role then ehat they have.